From Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com Tue Apr 1 00:08:01 2003 From: Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com (Andrew G. Malis) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: <002101c2f7e0$697e1200$0200000a@f5yxd> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030331182459.04306548@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331190641.04310ac0@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Deanna, I just tried it - makes no difference. I received an off-list reply suggesting that I replace the XP sound drivers with the Win2K drivers. I'm going to give that a shot and see what happens. Cheers, Andy ------- At 3/31/2003 04:51 PM -0700, Deanna Berman wrote: >How about if it is running on battery power instead of AC? I've had AC >adapters that I can hear all the time. > >Deanna >dberman@4dv.net > > > > > Deanna, > > > > Yup, all the time! > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > ------- > > > > At 3/31/2003 03:43 PM -0700, Deanna Berman wrote: > > > > >Just for clarification, you mean all the time, regardless of whether >you're > > >using an audio file? > > > > > >Deanna > > >dberman@4dv.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Andrew G. Malis" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 15:06 PM > > >Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers > > > > > > > > > > Hi, here's a strange one that I can't find on the IBM site .... it >looks > > > > like there are no special sound drivers to install other than those >that > > > > come with WinXP. > > > > > > > > I've got a T21 (2647-8AU) running WinXP with fully up-to-date drivers >and > > > > OS (at least, according to the Microsoft Windows Update service). > > > > > > > > There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with > > > > varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". It >is > > >a > > > > constant volume (just loud enough to be annoying in a quiet office) no > > > > matter what the settings are for volume, both on input and output, or >even > > > > if the sound is muted. However, it is clear that it is coming from >the > > > > sound circuitry, because if you plug in headphones, it moves from the > > > > speakers to the headphones. > > > > > > > > You would think it as a very loud hard drive except for the facts that >it > > > > is so intermittent, and plus it is tied to the speakers or headphones. > > > > > > > > I'm not using any microphones or auxiliary audio inputs. It's also >not > > > > correlated to whether or not I have the Ethernet plugged in, or >anything > > > > else for that matter. > > > > > > > > It's slowly driving me crazy .... any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thinkpad mailing list > > > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Mike@Geary.com Tue Apr 1 06:14:34 2003 From: Mike@Geary.com (Michael Geary) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:14:34 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: > I've got a T21 (2647-8AU) running WinXP with fully up-to-date drivers and > OS (at least, according to the Microsoft Windows Update service). > > There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with > varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". Since you didn't mention... Does this happen if Windows is not running? If it's quiet before Windows starts, what happens if you listen on headphones while Windows boots--when does it start happening? Before the Welcome screen? After you log in? I'm not too keen on that idea of using the Win2000 sound driver, but you could use driver rollback or system restore after the experiment, so I guess it's not likely to hurt much. One thing about the Microsoft updates: IBM's advice is to use Microsoft's software updates for everything but drivers, and get them from IBM's site instead. If you've installed an updated Microsoft sound driver, you might try rolling it back and getting an IBM driver (if there is one) instead. -Mike From Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com Tue Apr 1 10:45:45 2003 From: Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com (Andrew G. Malis) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 05:45:45 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401054302.01c20c60@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Michael, That's an excellent question, so I tried it - it starts at the Windows login screen just about the time the HD activity comes to a stop, and waiting for me to login. I haven't had a chance to try the W2K driver yet. As far as I can find on the IBM site, there is no XP driver audio available. At least I couldn't find one. Cheers, Andy ------ At 3/31/2003 10:14 PM -0800, Michael Geary wrote: > > I've got a T21 (2647-8AU) running WinXP with fully up-to-date drivers and > > OS (at least, according to the Microsoft Windows Update service). > > > > There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with > > varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". > >Since you didn't mention... Does this happen if Windows is not running? If >it's quiet before Windows starts, what happens if you listen on headphones >while Windows boots--when does it start happening? Before the Welcome >screen? After you log in? > >I'm not too keen on that idea of using the Win2000 sound driver, but you >could use driver rollback or system restore after the experiment, so I guess >it's not likely to hurt much. > >One thing about the Microsoft updates: IBM's advice is to use Microsoft's >software updates for everything but drivers, and get them from IBM's site >instead. If you've installed an updated Microsoft sound driver, you might >try rolling it back and getting an IBM driver (if there is one) instead. > >-Mike From Peter.Cami@JDA.COM Tue Apr 1 11:58:25 2003 From: Peter.Cami@JDA.COM (Peter Cami) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:58:25 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F846.00778FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dumb question time, Sorry. Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? Thanks for any help. Peter ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F846.00778FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dumb question time, Sorry.
 
Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ?
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Peter
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F846.00778FF0-- From jberry@islandnet.com Tue Apr 1 12:44:22 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 04:44:22 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? References: Message-ID: In article , Peter Cami wrote: >Dumb question time, Sorry. >Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? Maybe. It depends on the speed of the processor. A 366 MHz 600E is fast enough. 300 MHz may be fast enough. If not, it is often possible to play DVDs with assistance, for example a Margi PCMCIA DVD-to-Go card. You need a DVD drive. Ultrabay DVD drives work great. Regarding players, DVDExpress comes on the 600E software CD (not the OS CD), but it doesn't work. To get a working DVD Express, you have to install that software and then install an update pack (downloadable from IBM, about 18 MB if I recall correctly) on top of the initial installation. I had good luck with FusionSoft DVD XP (freeware) on my 366 MHz system running Win2K. There are also pay-for software solutions that work. I don't know what the status of current versions is, but there has been a great deal of comment in the archives of this list. Good search terms might include "Mediamatics" "DVDExpress" "WinDVD" HTML messages are not kosher on this list. Thank you. > >Thanks for any help. > >Peter > -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From simon.watson@ed.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 15:42:52 2003 From: simon.watson@ed.ac.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:42:52 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: Thinkpad digest, Vol 1 #139 - 3 msgs References: <20030401140803.28046.89677.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <000d01c2f865$5b4fb190$9772d781@swatson> Hi Peter I have a DVD drive for my TP 600. I have to use a Margi 'DVD-to-go' card as I only have a 266 Mhz Pentium processor, which is a bit slow for DVD. It works fine, though the DVD player that you have to install with the Margi driver is a bit temparomental. However, Windows 2K comes with it's own DVD player which I think is much better. Note the DVD drive for the TP600 series is not the same as the one for later TP models (ie the Ultrabay 8x) and they are not compatible. You might get a Margicard on eBay. I bought a factory-reconditioned card from Margi (http://www.margi.com/) a year ago and am very happy with it. It was a lot cheaper than a brand new one and I can't tell the difference! Good luck From Paul Khoury" If anyone is interested, I have the new 80GB drives for sale. I personally use one in both my 600E and my T23, and find them to be faster and quieter than the previous 60GB drives (8MB cache vs 2MB). If anyone is interested, please send me over an email. Paul From kenzo@free-music.com Tue Apr 1 16:59:23 2003 From: kenzo@free-music.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] [T23] Fn-F3 "Turn off monitor" stopped working Message-ID: <2.65341126918793.207.868356704712@1.00001874803062> (Running pre-installed W2K Professional) Previously, when I pressed Fn-F3, a pop up would display "Preparing to turn off the monitor", and then the LCD display would turn off. One day, I used the Display control panel to turn on the "TV out" so I could use the S-Video out cable. (When done, I unchecked the "TV out" box.) Ever since then, pressing Fn-F3 displays the pop up, but the monitor doesn't turn off. The computer functions normally, but the LCD monitor won't turn off when I press Fn-F3. I am not using an external display. Any ideas? - Ken From mike94109@yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 17:54:40 2003 From: mike94109@yahoo.com (Mike Ryan) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:54:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] The New 80GB Hard Drives In-Reply-To: <200304011551.h31Fpuku004733@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <20030401175440.7054.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Paul (and Bill Morrow your advice please) - can I use the 80G in my T30 as an internal drive? Can I use it in my UltraBay too? Is it 4200 RPM or 5400 RPM? If so, I'd sure like one. Tim the Toolman says: "MO POWER!" :-) --- Paul Khoury wrote: > If anyone is interested, I have the new 80GB drives > for sale. I > personally > use one in both my 600E and my T23, and find them to > be faster > and quieter than the previous 60GB drives (8MB cache > vs 2MB). If > anyone is > interested, please send me over an email. > > Paul ===== Mike __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From marrow@adelphia.net Tue Apr 1 21:39:51 2003 From: marrow@adelphia.net (Bill Morrrow-Adelphia) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] The New 80GB Hard Drives References: <20030401175440.7054.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <137801c2f897$3a277610$0201a8c0@w2kibmserver> i will be getting a few of these this week along with my T40's.. i'll evaluate one then.. so far, the reports are that they are fast in spite of the slower rotational speed.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ryan" To: "Paul Khoury" ; "ThinkPad Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] The New 80GB Hard Drives > Paul (and Bill Morrow your advice please) - can I use > the 80G in my T30 as an internal drive? Can I use it > in my UltraBay too? Is it 4200 RPM or 5400 RPM? If > so, I'd sure like one. > > Tim the Toolman says: "MO POWER!" :-) > > --- Paul Khoury wrote: > > If anyone is interested, I have the new 80GB drives > > for sale. I > > personally > > use one in both my 600E and my T23, and find them to > > be faster > > and quieter than the previous 60GB drives (8MB cache > > vs 2MB). If > > anyone is > > interested, please send me over an email. > > > > Paul > > ===== > Mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From awebber@wwwebbers.com Wed Apr 2 01:02:55 2003 From: awebber@wwwebbers.com (Andrew Webber) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) Message-ID: <20030402010302.BHVE20288.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@cr196088-a> I finally got my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Kit set up. My configuration is a wired desktop PC connected to the base station, and a TP600 (original 266MHz although I don't know if it matters) using the MS wireless PCMCIA card. On security for the ThinkPad, I was going to enable wireless security on the base station, but some online reading made me think it was more (totally?) secure to use MAC filtering and only allow the two existing cards access. Am I right in thinking this really does eliminate the need for WEP in this case? (And when would you use WEP?) I also have a problem upgrading the base station's firmware, I've downloaded the file from MS's site but when I attempt to update the firmware, I get "Installation was unsuccessful. Make sure you have the correct file, and then try again." Looked at the MS troubleshooting site but all it suggests is to download again. So I'm stuck at firmware v1.00.072 (July 30/02). No apparent problems but I know this version is way out of date. Any advice on these questions? Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ For PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject Photo albums at www.andrew-webber.com/~photos/gallery From mark.lee@chilli.net.au Wed Apr 2 01:23:07 2003 From: mark.lee@chilli.net.au (Chilli Accounts) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:23:07 +1000 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F90A.3BF64660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Peter I have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast enough. If any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please let me know. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Peter Cami Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 9:58 PM To: 'thinkpad@stderr.org' Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Dumb question time, Sorry. Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? Thanks for any help. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F90A.3BF64660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

He= llo Peter

 

I = have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of = the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I = tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I = bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with = the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being = fast enough.

 

If= any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please = let me know.

 

Re= gards

 

Ma= rk

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On = Behalf Of Peter Cami
Sent: Tuesday, 1 April = 2003 9:58 PM
To: = 'thinkpad@stderr.org'
Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD = ?

 

Dumb question time, Sorry.

 

Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Peter

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2F90A.3BF64660-- From Donald MacQueen Wed Apr 2 01:53:41 2003 From: Donald MacQueen (Donald MacQueen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] backup to compacr flash? In-Reply-To: <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> References: <20030328205902.97403.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2f583$697e4900$7700a8c0@600e400> <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> Message-ID: <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> the price of cf is dropping fast. 512 megs is now ~$100. anyone have any ideas about doing backups to cf? -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen [|] "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 2 02:01:57 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:01:57 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? References: Message-ID: <004101c2f8bb$d7bdace0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2F891.EE7B4E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The DVD speed is not the problem. DVD playback is 1X You may need to update the program. Run it in 256 color mode on a 600E That will give better playback Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive. That's it, don't buy another DVD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chilli Accounts=20 To: Peter Cami ; thinkpad@stderr.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Hello Peter =20 I have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried = a couple of the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right = decoders and I tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get = the software to work. I bought Power DVD and I have had no problems = since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs and I think it is = because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast enough. =20 If any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can = you please let me know. =20 Regards =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On = Behalf Of Peter Cami Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 9:58 PM To: 'thinkpad@stderr.org' Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? =20 Dumb question time, Sorry. =20 Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? =20 Thanks for any help. =20 Peter ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2F891.EE7B4E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The DVD speed is not the = problem. DVD=20 playback is 1X
You may need to update the=20 program.
Run it in 256 color mode on a=20 600E
That will give better=20 playback
Make sure DMA is enabled for = the=20 drive.
That's it, don't buy another=20 DVD
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chilli=20 Accounts
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 = 8:23=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD = ?

Hello=20 Peter

 

I have=20 a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a = couple of the=20 free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and = I tried=20 all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. = I=20 bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get = issues with=20 the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not = being fast=20 enough.

 

If any=20 one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you = please let=20 me know.

 

Regards

 

Mark

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Peter = Cami
Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 = 9:58=20 PM
To:=20 'thinkpad@stderr.org'
Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD=20 ?

 

Dumb=20 question time, Sorry.

 

Does my=20 IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ?

 

Thanks=20 for any help.

 

Peter

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2F891.EE7B4E80-- From John Bridges" Message-ID: <20030402022038.C539848FC2@mail1.panix.com> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:53:41 -0500, Donald MacQueen wrote: >the price of cf is dropping fast. 512 megs is now ~$100. > >anyone have any ideas about doing backups to cf? Everything I've read says it's not long term stable. So ok for short term backup, not ok for archiving or keeping critical data. DVD-R is under $1 per disc, and nearly 4.7GB per disc. External USB 2.0 burners are around $300, maybe less. CD-R is under 40 cents per disc for high quality gold media, and nearly 700MB per disc. External USB 2.0 burners are around $100, maybe $30 more for a DVD-ROM combo drive. The backups can be read on any computer. From ADBrown@Brownbearpress.net Wed Apr 2 02:38:15 2003 From: ADBrown@Brownbearpress.net (Adama D. Brown) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 21:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) Message-ID: <200304020238.h322c9o01662@host7.apollohosting.com> "Andrew Webber" wrote: >On security for the ThinkPad, I was going to enable wireless >security on the base station, but some online reading made me think >it was more (totally?) secure to use MAC filtering and only allow >the two existing cards access. Am I right in thinking this really >does eliminate the need for WEP in this case? (And when would you >use WEP?) NO. ALWAYS use WEP. Even if you use MAC filtering (I do) you still need WEP because without it any yahoo with software can still sniff the packets. Not that WEP totally protects against this, but it's the difference between locking your front door and leaving it wide open. With WEP on, any potential eavesdropper would need to be a lot smarter, and there's a kind of psychological barrier: someone who would look at unencrypted packets might think twice before they broke encryption to do it. Most people would never think about surveiling wireless packets if not presented with the opportunity. WEP removes the opportunity. The needed knowledge alone would decrease your possible invaders by probably 95% or more. >I also have a problem upgrading the base station's firmware, I've >downloaded the file from MS's site but when I attempt to update the >firmware, I get "Installation was unsuccessful. Make sure you have >the correct file, and then try again." Looked at the MS >troubleshooting site but all it suggests is to download again. So >I'm stuck at firmware v1.00.072 (July 30/02). No apparent problems >but I know this version is way out of date. And this being a Microsoft branded product, you're surprised? From mark.lee@chilli.net.au Wed Apr 2 02:48:11 2003 From: mark.lee@chilli.net.au (Chilli Accounts) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:48:11 +1000 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? In-Reply-To: <004101c2f8bb$d7bdace0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F916.1E4D3BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank for that I will try it tonight and let you know how it goes. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz [mailto:scosgt@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2003 12:02 PM To: Chilli Accounts; Peter Cami; thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] DVD ? The DVD speed is not the problem. DVD playback is 1X You may need to update the program. Run it in 256 color mode on a 600E That will give better playback Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive. That's it, don't buy another DVD ----- Original Message ----- From: Chilli Accounts To: Peter Cami ; thinkpad@stderr.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Hello Peter I have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast enough. If any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please let me know. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Peter Cami Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 9:58 PM To: 'thinkpad@stderr.org' Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Dumb question time, Sorry. Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? Thanks for any help. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F916.1E4D3BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank for that I will try it tonight and let you know how it = goes.

 

Regards

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Markowitz [mailto:scosgt@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April = 2003 12:02 PM
To: Chilli Accounts; = Peter Cami; thinkpad@stderr.org
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] = DVD ?

 

The DVD speed is not the problem. DVD playback is = 1X<= /p>

You may need to update the = program.<= /p>

Run it in 256 color mode on a = 600E<= /p>

That will give better = playback<= /p>

Make sure DMA is enabled for the = drive.<= /p>

That's it, don't buy another = DVD<= /p>

----- Original Message -----

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To: Peter = Cami ; thinkpad@stderr.org

Sent: Tuesday, April = 01, 2003 8:23 PM

Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD ?

 <= /p>

Hello = Peter

 

I have a 600E with a = 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of the free DVD = software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I tried all ways to get = the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I bought Power DVD = and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs = and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast = enough.

 

If any one knows = where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please let me = know.

 

Regards

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On = Behalf Of Peter Cami
Sent: Tuesday, 1 April = 2003 9:58 PM
To: = 'thinkpad@stderr.org'
Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD = ?<= /p>

 <= /p>

Dumb question time, Sorry.

 

Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Peter

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F916.1E4D3BD0-- From David Ross" <000d01c2f583$697e4900$7700a8c0@600e400> <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2f8c7$69497f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> > anyone have any ideas about doing backups to cf? I use cf for synchronizing my office and home files, including all document and email directories. As a secondary benefit, the cf serves as an extra level of redundancy for such docs in case my home and office machines both freak out at the same time. Software needed for this is a decent file synching program (I use 2, ViceVersa on one machine and TreeComp on the other), and an "on-the-fly" encryption program for the cf (in case I lose it, as I've done once before); I use E4M (see http://www.samsimpson.com/scramdisk.php) since it is free and works well on both W9x and W2K. - David R. From dberman@4dv.net Wed Apr 2 04:32:03 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:32:03 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) References: <20030402010302.BHVE20288.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@cr196088-a> Message-ID: <005b01c2f8d0$cfdf5040$0200000a@f5yxd> You didn't mention it, but were you aware that just yesterday Microsoft released a new upgrade named Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) intended to prvovide better security than WEP? The download is apparently free to anybody who wants it. http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/03/31/HNxpwireless_1.html I often have problems getting MS updates installed using its automatic download + install? Whichever installation method you tried (auto, probably), go back to the download site and download it the other way. You can get just the file itself, save it to disk, then click on the self-executing file to install -- instead of the more complex update/installation procedures file. http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/broadbandnetworking/download.aspx Deanna dberman@4dv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Webber" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 18:02 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) > I finally got my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Kit set up. > > My configuration is a wired desktop PC connected to the base > station, and a TP600 (original 266MHz although I don't know if it > matters) using the MS wireless PCMCIA card. > > On security for the ThinkPad, I was going to enable wireless > security on the base station, but some online reading made me think > it was more (totally?) secure to use MAC filtering and only allow > the two existing cards access. Am I right in thinking this really > does eliminate the need for WEP in this case? (And when would you > use WEP?) > > I also have a problem upgrading the base station's firmware, I've > downloaded the file from MS's site but when I attempt to update the > firmware, I get "Installation was unsuccessful. Make sure you have > the correct file, and then try again." Looked at the MS > troubleshooting site but all it suggests is to download again. So > I'm stuck at firmware v1.00.072 (July 30/02). No apparent problems > but I know this version is way out of date. > > Any advice on these questions? > > Thanks! > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > For PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > Photo albums at www.andrew-webber.com/~photos/gallery > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From andres@msu.edu Wed Apr 2 07:05:59 2003 From: andres@msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 02:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) In-Reply-To: <20030402010302.BHVE20288.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@cr196088-a> References: <20030402010302.BHVE20288.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@cr196088-a> Message-ID: <200304020205.59677.andres@msu.edu> The state of wireless security is a true horror at the moment, but it is possible to do things correctly, although it takes some effort to do it right. Completely abandon any thoughts of using *ANY* of the currently existing "security: features associated with a wireless system. They all suck, to put it bluntly. The only thing you can do for a wireless system is to wrap the connection up in an encrypting layer, such that all traffic going over the wireless card is tunneled. Do that, and anything you do over the card is completely secure. Don't do that, and you have something which anyone with even moderate skills can defeat. Win2K can use VPN's, which could be established between two machines. That would be the right way to go for two systems. I haven't done that yet, but I expect to be doing soon. --STeve Andre' On Tuesday 01 April 2003 20:02, Andrew Webber wrote: > I finally got my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Kit set up. > > My configuration is a wired desktop PC connected to the base > station, and a TP600 (original 266MHz although I don't know if it > matters) using the MS wireless PCMCIA card. > > On security for the ThinkPad, I was going to enable wireless > security on the base station, but some online reading made me think > it was more (totally?) secure to use MAC filtering and only allow > the two existing cards access. Am I right in thinking this really > does eliminate the need for WEP in this case? (And when would you > use WEP?) > > I also have a problem upgrading the base station's firmware, I've > downloaded the file from MS's site but when I attempt to update the > firmware, I get "Installation was unsuccessful. Make sure you have > the correct file, and then try again." Looked at the MS > troubleshooting site but all it suggests is to download again. So > I'm stuck at firmware v1.00.072 (July 30/02). No apparent problems > but I know this version is way out of date. > > Any advice on these questions? > > Thanks! > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > For PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > Photo albums at www.andrew-webber.com/~photos/gallery > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From lex@fixedpoint.org Wed Apr 2 09:15:00 2003 From: lex@fixedpoint.org (Alexander Holt) Date: 02 Apr 2003 10:15:00 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] X30: WLAN antenna upgrade? In-Reply-To: <8iTb1b0J5SB@mycroft.de> References: <8iTb1b0J5SB@mycroft.de> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Heiko Hamann writes: > I've got a nice X30 here. As we need the PCMCIA-slot for another > device we want to upgrade the X30 with a mini-PCI WLAN-card. But to do > this we need an internal antenna - unfortunately the modell doesn't > have one. Can anybody tell me IBM's part number of the antenna? Or > isn't it available afterwards? Is there any alternative for an > internal antenna? I mailed Heiko off-list about this, and it turns out he's found some answers -- he asked me to post his reply here. Lex * * * Date: 02 Apr 2003 09:25:00 +0200 From: list.heiko@mycroft.de (Heiko Hamann) To: lex@fixedpoint.org Message-ID: <8j6bxkV35SB@mycroft.de> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] X30: WLAN antenna upgrade? Hi Alexander, on 01 Apr 03 you wrote: >Hi there, unfortunately I cannot answer your question, except that I >also suspect there is no part number for the internal antenna. >What I wanted to ask you was: what is your X30 model number, and how did >you find out whether it had an internal antenna or not? I (well, my >friend) have a X30 2672-47G, and I don't think it has an antenna, but I >would like to know for sure... I have the same modell (it is the cheapest X30;-)) and it has no antenna. But you can buy one from IBM. The antenna has the part number 27L6745 ("Antenna assembly for X30") and costs ca. 20,- Euro. But it has some metall parts that fit directly into the outside of the display. So you also need a "LCD cover kit 12.1-in. with antenna for X30 series" (part number 27L6741). Costs ca. 60,- Euro. You can find these information and some graphics in the X30 service manual (92p1288.pdf). There are two problems: (1) you will loose IBM's guarantee if you make the modifications yourself and (2) the cover kit is not in stock and will take 4-8 weeks to deliver... In the meanwhile I have found a compact flash WLAN card from SMC (EZ Connect SMC2642W) that is really tiny and works fine. So my PCMCIA-slot is still free and I a have a very comfortable and cheap WLAN-solution. Maybe you can forward this mail to the Thinkpad Mailinglist for other X30 users. I have already left the list as there was no answer to my question an no further information of interest for me. Best wishes, Heiko -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 iD8DBQE+iqoPZnhMljHa7tgRAg8PAJwJK1U5aBIXRa3UNBllZ3kYXah1WQCeKlGd qno6CIHuMGyE7HdmzNJFb4o= =+SIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From co273@bfn.org Wed Apr 2 14:34:24 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:34:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? In-Reply-To: <004101c2f8bb$d7bdace0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: Hmmm...Could it be an issue with the video drivers? The Neomagic 256AV on the tp600 series should handle at least idct/motion compensation in their hardware so it could not be stuttering like that. On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > The DVD speed is not the problem. DVD playback is 1X > You may need to update the program. > Run it in 256 color mode on a 600E > That will give better playback > Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive. > That's it, don't buy another DVD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chilli Accounts > To: Peter Cami ; thinkpad@stderr.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:23 PM > Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD ? > > > Hello Peter > > > > I have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast enough. > > > > If any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please let me know. > > > > Regards > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Peter Cami > Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 9:58 PM > To: 'thinkpad@stderr.org' > Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? > > > > Dumb question time, Sorry. > > > > Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Peter > From awebber@wwwebbers.com Wed Apr 2 15:05:56 2003 From: awebber@wwwebbers.com (Andrew Webber) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) In-Reply-To: <005b01c2f8d0$cfdf5040$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: <20030402150700.ZWQV18954.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@YCXFSSTO> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:32:03 -0700, Deanna Berman wrote: >Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) intended to prvovide >better security than WEP? I hadn't heard of that, so thanks! And thanks also to STeve Andre' for the tips on better security. I'll look into both, but I have bigger problems... >get just the file itself, save it to disk, then click >on the self-executing file to install -- instead of >the more complex update/installation procedures file. I re-downloaded the manual version, unzipped it, and then use the Management Utility to send the file (a .dlf, if I recall correctly -- writing this on my ThinkPad but I did it from my desktop) to the router. The "power" light started blinking as the documentation said it would for a minute or so (and the desktop couldn't communicate with it, again as documented). FIFTEEN minutes later it was still blinking so I went to bed. This morning it was still blinking so I hit the reset button. Now the power light is a solid orange (not good). Since the desktop can't communicate with it, I can't use the utility to reset router or restore defaults, I held in the reset button for ten seconds to restore factory defaults, still no response. Neither the desktop (wired) nor ThinkPad (wireless) can see it (by pointing browser at default 192.168.2.1 nor at the IP address I changed it to), and the MS Broadband Utility doesn't offer managing it as an option. Help! Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ For PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject Photo albums at www.andrew-webber.com/~photos/gallery From dberman@4dv.net Wed Apr 2 15:20:44 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) References: <20030402150700.ZWQV18954.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@YCXFSSTO> Message-ID: <000701c2f92b$6e387960$0200000a@f5yxd> The only thing I can suggest is to visit www.broadbandreports.com and cruise the wireless forums. By now there might be one going for MS equipment, but in any case you can search for mention of similar hardware and/or problems. Also try www.practicallynetworked.com for information that might be relevant. Deanna dberman@4dv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Webber" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 08:05 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Wireless security (& MS: base firmware) > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:32:03 -0700, Deanna Berman wrote: > > >Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) intended to prvovide > >better security than WEP? > > I hadn't heard of that, so thanks! And thanks also to STeve Andre' > for the tips on better security. I'll look into both, but I have > bigger problems... > > > >get just the file itself, save it to disk, then click > >on the self-executing file to install -- instead of > >the more complex update/installation procedures file. > > I re-downloaded the manual version, unzipped it, and then use the > Management Utility to send the file (a .dlf, if I recall correctly > -- writing this on my ThinkPad but I did it from my desktop) to the > router. The "power" light started blinking as the documentation > said it would for a minute or so (and the desktop couldn't > communicate with it, again as documented). > > FIFTEEN minutes later it was still blinking so I went to bed. This > morning it was still blinking so I hit the reset button. Now the > power light is a solid orange (not good). Since the desktop can't > communicate with it, I can't use the utility to reset router or > restore defaults, I held in the reset button for ten seconds to > restore factory defaults, still no response. > > Neither the desktop (wired) nor ThinkPad (wireless) can see it (by > pointing browser at default 192.168.2.1 nor at the IP address I > changed it to), and the MS Broadband Utility doesn't offer managing > it as an option. > > Help! > Thanks! > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > For PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > Photo albums at www.andrew-webber.com/~photos/gallery > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Paul Khoury" I made a big mistake on prices I quoted people for these drives. If anyone's interested, prices should be at least $150 cheaper than what I quoted. Paul From mitchell_yee@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 19:23:32 2003 From: mitchell_yee@yahoo.com (Mitchell Yee) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:23:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA Message-ID: <20030402192332.78740.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Hey: A while back my company "gave" me a T30, I suppose since I am among the frequent fliers (every other week I'm usually on a plane). Traveling with the T30 used to be nondescript until the new TSA regime came into the airports on Jan. 1. Now, EVERY time I go through pre-boarding security, my T30 gets bonus prize during it's journey through the X-Ray machine. This prize includes a excruciatingly meticulous inspection of the case, keyboard and monitor and the explosives residue wipe. As an experiment, I carried my personal X21 and T23 (you know you travel too much when you could perform these kind of experiments) and received no special inspections. I've politely asked the TSA crews (in San Francisco and San Diego) just what was triggering the bonus inspections. They were unable or unwilling to communicate that to me. BTW, the crews are generally polite, but just darn tightlipped. Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my hippie friends. BTW: I usually travel without the DVD to lighten the load. Hmmm, that might be a new experiment.... thanks, Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jknotzke@shampoo.ca Wed Apr 2 19:44:25 2003 From: jknotzke@shampoo.ca (Justin F. Knotzke) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:44:25 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] UltraBay DVD RAM Message-ID: <20030402194425.GD21285@shampoo.ca> I have a TP A31. In it is a CD-RW. I am looking to get a DVD Burner. Anyone know if IBM sells just a DVD burner in a UltraBay format? I can't seem to find anything on the website other then a CD/RW DVD combo.. Thanks J -- Justin F. Knotzke jknotzke@shampoo.ca http://www.shampoo.ca From Donald MacQueen Wed Apr 2 19:50:59 2003 From: Donald MacQueen (Donald MacQueen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:50:59 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: [Thinkpad] backup to compacr flash? In-Reply-To: <000e01c2f8c7$69497f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> References: <20030328205902.97403.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2f583$697e4900$7700a8c0@600e400> <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> <000e01c2f8c7$69497f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> Message-ID: <15698146912.20030402145059@erols.com> David, Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 10:24:43 PM, you wrote: >> anyone have any ideas about doing backups to cf? > I use cf for synchronizing my office and home files, including all document > and email directories. As a secondary benefit, the cf serves as an extra > level of redundancy for such docs in case my home and office machines both > freak out at the same time. that's all i want to do; i already burn my important files to cd at least once a month. my 570 does not have a cf slot. what do you use to access the cf? thanks. > Software needed for this is a decent file synching program (I use 2, > ViceVersa on one machine and TreeComp on the other), and an "on-the-fly" > encryption program for the cf (in case I lose it, as I've done once before); > I use E4M (see http://www.samsimpson.com/scramdisk.php) since it is free and > works well on both W9x and W2K. > - David R. > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen [|] "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From James@thinkpads.com Wed Apr 2 20:08:39 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA In-Reply-To: <20030402192332.78740.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mitch, Mitchell Yee wrote: > Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself > who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get > my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or > perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my > hippie friends. I'm on a plane almost weekly and the "Bonus" searches have occurred and not occurred regardless of which one of my toys I'm traveling with. Doesn't appear to be anything but random and having the laptop off or suspended (although mine are most often suspended) doesn't appear to make a difference. Wife and eldest daughter (both T23s) who also travel weekly have reported similar findings. Personally Mitch, I think you're ascribing too much intellignece to the TSA folks. If there WAS a pattern, wouldn't that also indicate that there was some thought behind the madness? ;-) The "randomness" of the pre-boarding searches at the jetway are also suspect: TSA: Please step over to the table for a brief inspection. Me: No problem. TSA: Please take off your shoes. Me: OK, where can I sit, there's no chair. TSA: Oh, just take them off, sit on the floor if necessary. Me: Sorry, I'm disabled and you'd have to help me get off the floor. Get me a chair! TSA: (Looking up at my 6'6" height and 240LBs of heft from his about 5'5" height!) Oh, er, um,.... never mind, you may board. Regards, James From dberman@4dv.net Wed Apr 2 20:55:41 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA References: Message-ID: <002701c2f95a$3955eaa0$0200000a@f5yxd> One time that my X21 and I got extra attention, an inspector let slip that my not having a battery in it was the trigger. I think the idea was that handling the battery is considered "tampering" with the natural state of a computer... Deanna dberman@4dv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mitchell Yee" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 13:08 PM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA > Mitch, > > Mitchell Yee wrote: > > > Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself > > who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get > > my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or > > perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my > > hippie friends. > > I'm on a plane almost weekly and the "Bonus" searches have occurred and not > occurred regardless of which one of my toys I'm traveling with. > > Doesn't appear to be anything but random and having the laptop off or suspended > (although mine are most often suspended) doesn't appear to make a difference. > > Wife and eldest daughter (both T23s) who also travel weekly have reported > similar findings. > > Personally Mitch, I think you're ascribing too much intellignece to the TSA > folks. If there WAS a pattern, wouldn't that also indicate that there was some > thought behind the madness? ;-) > > The "randomness" of the pre-boarding searches at the jetway are also suspect: > > TSA: Please step over to the table for a brief inspection. > > Me: No problem. > > TSA: Please take off your shoes. > > Me: OK, where can I sit, there's no chair. > > TSA: Oh, just take them off, sit on the floor if necessary. > > Me: Sorry, I'm disabled and you'd have to help me get off the floor. Get me a > chair! > > TSA: (Looking up at my 6'6" height and 240LBs of heft from his about 5'5" > height!) Oh, er, um,.... never mind, you may board. > > Regards, > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From dberman@4dv.net Wed Apr 2 21:21:13 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:21:13 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT re Rebate Rage Message-ID: <003701c2f95d$ca4528c0$0200000a@f5yxd> A forward for anyone in need of a warm fuzzy feeling today. I've cut out headers and the middle of the exchange, but included the original denial and my response. Hmm, the headers show that my email took an interesting side trip to something called "Customer Service/Exec/Corporate/CompUSA". I've just responded saying that the June date had better be a typo. Deanna dberman@4dv.net > Dear Customer, > > As requested, here is the status of your rebate: > > SMC-11533-290 SMC2404WBR REBATE Award: $50 > Check will be mailed: 06-03-03 > > > Please let me know if you need further assistance. > > Customer Support > Compusa, INC > 1800-278-4685 > 972-528-5684 fax > > 1. I received the email below and it is a bald-faced lie. > > 2. Attempts to check on rebate status on the website produce the following: "Your session has terminated or an error has occured (sic). Please click the following button to start again. " > > 3. I've spent four telephone calls and two hours on "hold" on your "Customer Service" line before being disconnected by TCA each time. > > 4. I keep meticulous records, with photocopies, photographs and certificates of mailing -- and I am thoroughly familiar with procedures for producing courtroom evidence. > > 5. I am not going to spend my time or money resubmitting anything that was perfectly clear and complete the first time. > > 6. A copy of this and future correspondence will be sent to the Federal Trade Commission, the U.S. Postal Service Mail Fraud Division, the New York State Attorney General's Office and your client, COMPUSA. > > 7. Complaints will be filed against COMPUSA as well as TCA. > > > > Deanna Berman > > > Thank you for participating in our rebate promotion. > > > > > > Your rebate submission has been received. > > > Unfortunately your rebate is denied for the following reasons: > > > INVALID INCOMPLETE OR ALTERED RECEIPT > > > NO DATE AND/OR TRANSACTION# > > > STORE RECEIPT NOT SUBMITTED > > > > > > If your submission was denied for missing information please > > > mail a copy of this message with required materials to: > > > TCA Rebate Resolution Dept > > > 145 Huguenot Street Suite 105 > > > New Rochelle NY 10801 From wvantuyl@mynewroads.com Wed Apr 2 21:40:32 2003 From: wvantuyl@mynewroads.com (William Van Tuyl) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA References: <002701c2f95a$3955eaa0$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: <3E8B58D0.5040603@mynewroads.com> A battery pack could be an excellent place to put plastic explosives. Slip it into the laptop, contact made, voltage applied, current flows, BOOM! Not from experience or training, just a fertile mind. Bill Deanna Berman wrote: >One time that my X21 and I got extra attention, an inspector let slip that >my not having a battery in it was the trigger. I think the idea was that >handling the battery is considered "tampering" with the natural state of a >computer... > >Deanna >dberman@4dv.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James H. E. Maugham" >To: "Mitchell Yee" ; >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 13:08 PM >Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA > > > > >>Mitch, >> >>Mitchell Yee wrote: >> >> >> >>>Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself >>>who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get >>>my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or >>>perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my >>>hippie friends. >>> >>> >>I'm on a plane almost weekly and the "Bonus" searches have occurred and >> >> >not > > >>occurred regardless of which one of my toys I'm traveling with. >> >>Doesn't appear to be anything but random and having the laptop off or >> >> >suspended > > >>(although mine are most often suspended) doesn't appear to make a >> >> >difference. > > >>Wife and eldest daughter (both T23s) who also travel weekly have reported >>similar findings. >> >>Personally Mitch, I think you're ascribing too much intellignece to the >> >> >TSA > > >>folks. If there WAS a pattern, wouldn't that also indicate that there was >> >> >some > > >>thought behind the madness? ;-) >> >>The "randomness" of the pre-boarding searches at the jetway are also >> >> >suspect: > > >>TSA: Please step over to the table for a brief inspection. >> >>Me: No problem. >> >>TSA: Please take off your shoes. >> >>Me: OK, where can I sit, there's no chair. >> >>TSA: Oh, just take them off, sit on the floor if necessary. >> >>Me: Sorry, I'm disabled and you'd have to help me get off the floor. Get >> >> >me a > > >>chair! >> >>TSA: (Looking up at my 6'6" height and 240LBs of heft from his about 5'5" >>height!) Oh, er, um,.... never mind, you may board. >> >>Regards, >> >>James >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Thinkpad mailing list >>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > From raybay@broadcast.net Wed Apr 2 21:12:07 2003 From: raybay@broadcast.net (RayBay) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:12:07 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] restart/realport/ References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030328203632.013523d8@mail.advertisnet.com> Message-ID: <3E8B5227.17B8F84E@broadcast.net> Xircom is going under... if not under already, you can call Xircom and they will send you a disc... they have been very helpful for me. Also, you can download drivers that will install. As I understand it,l Xircom is now owned by IBM and they are going to let it sink... according to this week's e-Week News -- The best tongue of man is a twisty thing. - Homer, The Illiad From techshop@ameritech.net Wed Apr 2 23:27:15 2003 From: techshop@ameritech.net (TechShop) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:27:15 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] restart/realport/ References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030328203632.013523d8@mail.advertisnet.com> <3E8B5227.17B8F84E@broadcast.net> Message-ID: <000b01c2f96f$659d2a00$6801a8c0@techshop> Intel bought Xircom, and drivers are readily available. IBM private labeled Xircom cards, and sold them as ReadyPorts. Those drivers are practically interchangable. In some operating systems, Xircom cards are found by the hardware wizards as IBM EtherJet cards with no ill effect. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "RayBay" To: "Arlyn & Teresa" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] restart/realport/ Xircom is going under... if not under already, you can call Xircom and they will send you a disc... they have been very helpful for me. Also, you can download drivers that will install. As I understand it,l Xircom is now owned by IBM and they are going to let it sink... according to this week's e-Week News -- The best tongue of man is a twisty thing. - Homer, The Illiad _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad@stderr.org http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From mark.lee@chilli.net.au Wed Apr 2 23:31:19 2003 From: mark.lee@chilli.net.au (Chilli Accounts) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:31:19 +1000 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello I changed the video to 256 color and it has made a difference. I updated to the latest video drivers and bios when I first received my TP 600e, which was a year ago. I am also running windows 2000 professional. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kev [mailto:co273@bfn.org] Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:34 AM To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: Chilli Accounts; Peter Cami; thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] DVD ? Hmmm...Could it be an issue with the video drivers? The Neomagic 256AV on the tp600 series should handle at least idct/motion compensation in their hardware so it could not be stuttering like that. On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > The DVD speed is not the problem. DVD playback is 1X > You may need to update the program. > Run it in 256 color mode on a 600E > That will give better playback > Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive. > That's it, don't buy another DVD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chilli Accounts > To: Peter Cami ; thinkpad@stderr.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:23 PM > Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] DVD ? > > > Hello Peter > > > > I have a 600E with a 366MHz processor and I run 256MB of ram. I tried a couple of the free DVD software but my computer did not have the right decoders and I tried all ways to get the decoders but I could not get the software to work. I bought Power DVD and I have had no problems since. I sometimes get issues with the Disney DVDs and I think it is because of the 2 x DVD player not being fast enough. > > > > If any one knows where I can get a 6 x DVD player to fit the 600e can you please let me know. > > > > Regards > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Peter Cami > Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 9:58 PM > To: 'thinkpad@stderr.org' > Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD ? > > > > Dumb question time, Sorry. > > > > Does my IBM Thinkpad 600E play DVD's ? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Peter > From rosenr@mail.nih.gov Thu Apr 3 00:09:15 2003 From: rosenr@mail.nih.gov (Rosen, Robert (NIH/NIAMS)) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TS A Message-ID: <73456EC4BBEC6A45AE7D91398877B84610824E82@nihexchange5.nih.gov> I flew BWI (Baltimore) to/from DFW (Dallas) a few weeks ago. No special checks going down. My T23 got the same full treatment (start up, explosive wipe) coming back. So did my associates T30. ________________________ Robert Rosen E-Mail: rosenr@mail.nih.gov Message: 5 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mitchell Yee To: thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA Hey: A while back my company "gave" me a T30, I suppose since I am among the frequent fliers (every other week I'm usually on a plane). Traveling with the T30 used to be nondescript until the new TSA regime came into the airports on Jan. 1. Now, EVERY time I go through pre-boarding security, my T30 gets bonus prize during it's journey through the X-Ray machine. This prize includes a excruciatingly meticulous inspection of the case, keyboard and monitor and the explosives residue wipe. As an experiment, I carried my personal X21 and T23 (you know you travel too much when you could perform these kind of experiments) and received no special inspections. I've politely asked the TSA crews (in San Francisco and San Diego) just what was triggering the bonus inspections. They were unable or unwilling to communicate that to me. BTW, the crews are generally polite, but just darn tightlipped. Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my hippie friends. BTW: I usually travel without the DVD to lighten the load. Hmmm, that might be a new experiment.... thanks, Mitchell From David Ross" <000d01c2f583$697e4900$7700a8c0@600e400> <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> <000e01c2f8c7$69497f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> <15698146912.20030402145059@erols.com> Message-ID: <005f01c2f97c$ca039ad0$9b02a8c0@tarski> > my 570 does not have a cf slot. what do you use to access the cf? Neither do my machines. I have a pcmcia cf adapter for the laptop (Antek; cost me $7 from buy.com) and USB cf adapter (Buslink) on the office desktop. BTW, the pcmcia adapter is miles faster than the USB one. - David R. From Donald MacQueen Thu Apr 3 01:21:19 2003 From: Donald MacQueen (Donald MacQueen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:21:19 -0500 Subject: Re[4]: [Thinkpad] backup to compacr flash? In-Reply-To: <005f01c2f97c$ca039ad0$9b02a8c0@tarski> References: <20030328205902.97403.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2f583$697e4900$7700a8c0@600e400> <0bce01c2f585$843a1650$03785a8e@sfupc> <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> <000e01c2f8c7$69497f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> <15698146912.20030402145059@erols.com> <005f01c2f97c$ca039ad0$9b02a8c0@tarski> Message-ID: <145117963695.20030402202119@erols.com> David, thanks very much. that is definitely in my price range. early in my computer career, we had to move our operations from denver to phoenix, and reinstall our accounting system from backup tapes. we could not read the first two tapes, but were able to read the third, which was fortunate, because we only had three. ever since then, i try to remember the first rule of computers: "you don't have to back up all your data; just the part you want to keep". Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 8:03:07 PM, you wrote: >> my 570 does not have a cf slot. what do you use to access the cf? > Neither do my machines. I have a pcmcia cf adapter for the laptop (Antek; > cost me $7 from buy.com) and USB cf adapter (Buslink) on the office > desktop. BTW, the pcmcia adapter is miles faster than the USB one. > - David R. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen [|] "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From prmlaw@bellatlantic.net Thu Apr 3 01:28:56 2003 From: prmlaw@bellatlantic.net (Philip R. Mann) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] UltraBay DVD RAM In-Reply-To: <20030402194425.GD21285@shampoo.ca> Message-ID: <20030403012857.OEOW1728.pop015.verizon.net@ibmt23> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:44:25 -0500, Justin F. Knotzke wrote: >Anyone know if IBM sells just a DVD burner in a UltraBay format? Announced two weeks ago. Shipping date 4/15. List price $499. ----- PRM ----- From prmlaw@bellatlantic.net Thu Apr 3 01:17:33 2003 From: prmlaw@bellatlantic.net (Philip R. Mann) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] restart/realport/ In-Reply-To: <3E8B5227.17B8F84E@broadcast.net> Message-ID: <20030403012915.PIBQ19613.out001.verizon.net@ibmt23> On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:12:07 -0700, RayBay wrote: >Xircom is going under... if not under already, Intel has owned Xircom for at least a year. ----- PRM ----- From gwydion@courvilles.com Thu Apr 3 01:40:57 2003 From: gwydion@courvilles.com (gwydion) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:40:57 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TSA References: <20030402192332.78740.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E8B9129.53FF9969@courvilles.com> Well, mine got checked today, but I've also had lots of trips where there was no special check. I think that one thing that does generate extra attention is having lots of wires/cables in the bag. Mitchell Yee wrote: > > Hey: > > A while back my company "gave" me a T30, I suppose > since I am among the frequent fliers (every other week > I'm usually on a plane). Traveling with the T30 used > to be nondescript until the new TSA regime came into > the airports on Jan. 1. Now, EVERY time I go through > pre-boarding security, my T30 gets bonus prize during > it's journey through the X-Ray machine. This prize > includes a excruciatingly meticulous inspection of the > case, keyboard and monitor and the explosives residue > wipe. As an experiment, I carried my personal X21 and > T23 (you know you travel too much when you could > perform these kind of experiments) and received no > special inspections. > > I've politely asked the TSA crews (in San Francisco > and San Diego) just what was triggering the bonus > inspections. They were unable or unwilling to > communicate that to me. BTW, the crews are generally > polite, but just darn tightlipped. > > Are there any frequent fliers out there besides myself > who have similar experiences? I suppose I should get > my slow moving behind to the airport earlier or > perhaps stop attending peace demonstrations with my > hippie friends. > > BTW: I usually travel without the DVD to lighten the > load. Hmmm, that might be a new experiment.... > > thanks, > Mitchell > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From raybay@broadcast.net Thu Apr 3 02:51:13 2003 From: raybay@broadcast.net (RayBay) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 19:51:13 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] restart/realport/ References: <20030403012915.PIBQ19613.out001.verizon.net@ibmt23> Message-ID: <3E8BA1A1.83A0EDFA@broadcast.net> Called them this afternoon... They are definitely out of business... Will support existing warranties... but no longer making or selling Xircom products... tried to sell the company but found no buyers... They have owned Xircom for three years, and had a partial interest since 1995 -- I sing what was lost and dread what was won, I walk in a battle fought over again, My king a lost king, and lost soldiers my men; Feet to the Rising and Setting may run, They always beat on the same small stone. - William Butler Yeats From onomatos@yahoo.com Thu Apr 3 06:01:05 2003 From: onomatos@yahoo.com (Onomatos) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:01:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] 600x hard drive recommendation Message-ID: <20030403060105.89192.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> I have a 600x (2645-8eu) PIII-500 with 6.4g. I'm contemplating a second hard drive to put Linux...for experimentation. What does another 6.4g drive cost? What drive would you recommend? Where is a good place to purchase? Thanks for the info, Onomatos __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From co273@bfn.org Thu Apr 3 14:37:37 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:37:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Thinkpad] APM status reporting problems with tp560 In-Reply-To: <20030403012915.PIBQ19613.out001.verizon.net@ibmt23> Message-ID: Hi guys (And several gals, bored housepets and the occasional illegal alien). I recently ran into some problems with a faulty DC/DC board that caused intermittent power failures on my TP560. I am pretty sure that it is a cold solder on the DC/DC Board side of the hard connector, since when I push on the DC board after the machine is disassembled the power will wink on and off. This is, of course, extremely aggravating. I replaced the DC/DC board with a spare that I have, and now it is otherwise working properly. The power feeds into the battery and she'll take AC, but the problem now is that for some odd reason, APM is giving me bad readings on battery status. It'll report battery status in the 90% range intermittently (Fuel will display 90%, with a time estimate of 8:88, and then the fuel gauge will show a blank in the battery charge) and the Win95 taskbar battery gauge disappears. I am trying to nail down a probable cause for this problem. I am inclined to blame Windows 95...but somehow the DC Board I swapped in looks suspect as well. What should I blame first, and how would I tell for sure? From jberry@islandnet.com Thu Apr 3 17:33:06 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:33:06 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Traveling with a T30 or fun and games with the TS References: <73456EC4BBEC6A45AE7D91398877B84610824E82@nihexchange5.nih.gov> Message-ID: People who travelled without battery or DVD player (presumably in the bay) got hassled. I don't know if these parts were visibly absent (like a gaping hole in the computer), but perhaps that is the answer. I travelled from Canada to Mexico in December. In Canada they were extremely interested in computers; had to turn on every time, explosive swabs etc. In US (LAX and SFO) they seemed more interested in other things. On the way back they were very interested in a stack of dinner plates that my wife was carrying. In Mexico, the inspection (aside from the obligatory x-ray scan) of carry-on luggage was perfunctory. HOWEVER, they carefully (and politely and efficiently) inspected all checked luggage which Canada and US didn't bother with at all. My wife had trouble everywhere because her boots (like cowboy boots) had metal inserts and set off the alarms. Next time ... sneakers! At the moment, you see a lot of breathing masks at YVR and Toronto Airport because of SARS, which to me appears a more potent argument against travel than terrorism is. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 3 20:21:54 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600x hard drive recommendation References: <20030403060105.89192.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c2fa1e$c0159d00$7700a8c0@600e400> Buy one of the high speed drives, at least 20 gig, the small drives are too expensive in comparison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Onomatos" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] 600x hard drive recommendation > I have a 600x (2645-8eu) PIII-500 with 6.4g. I'm > contemplating a second hard drive to put Linux...for > experimentation. > > What does another 6.4g drive cost? What drive would > you recommend? Where is a good place to purchase? > > Thanks for the info, > Onomatos > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Kevin Koehler" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F9E2.AF3052A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All! I just received a new 40 gig GNX hdd from Googlegear, I downloaded = DM2000 and Formatted and Copied my old 3 gig C: drive to the new drive = in the 2nd hdd adapter using DM2000- When It reboots, I have a new 40 = gig drive with my old Win98se system. It works the same as the old = system as long as it stays in the 2nd hdd adapter in the ultrabay, if I = move it to the primary drive slot- it won't boot- trying reloading the = overlay with a floppy hasn't helped me so far. I'm wondering how to = change the disk 2 (boot from slave-as master) to boot from Primary Ide = Disk 1as master and be able to put the 40 gig back into the primary hdd = slot. . I've read most of the help files I have for DM2000 Maybe a custom boot disk could help me?, I also don't seem to be loading = system commander any more and think maybe I could configure this to = switch it over. Any help would be appreciated ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F9E2.AF3052A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F9E2.AF3052A0-- From alhartman6@comcast.net Thu Apr 3 16:52:07 2003 From: alhartman6@comcast.net (Al Hartman) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:52:07 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: 30gb IDE Laptop Drive In-Reply-To: <20030403140744.21122.21201.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030403114648.01390280@mail.comcast.net> Before I put this on eBay, I wanted to offer this to the list... I have a spare Toshiba 2.5" Laptop HDD, model MK3018GAP. It's a 9.5MM drive, 30gb in size. This is a drive that I just received from Toshiba as a replacement for a failed unit. It's new, never been used. It may be a refurbished unit, but I haven't opened the package to see. I don't know what a fair price is.... I was thinking of $100.00 (which includes shipping within the U.S.A. Only...) O.B.O. First come, first served... I can accept PayPal (No Credit cards) or a Money Order. The drive this is in replacement for, worked great in my TP600E until the 600 was dropped and the drive failed. I've since replaced that drive with a new one, and this one is surplus... Thanks! Al Hartman From jberry@islandnet.com Thu Apr 3 22:41:22 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:41:22 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600x hard drive recommendation References: <20030403060105.89192.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm inclined to agree with Bruce. 6.4 gig drives, even used ones, have some value because of the (8 GB?) limit in many early Thinkpads, for instance the 701. I've been very pleased with a 40GB 40GNX drive (less than $200). It is faster and QUIETER (please excuse the shouting) than the older Travelstar drives. Slightly cheaper are the 40GN (no X) drives, but they have only 2 MB cache instead of 8 MB. You might consider getting a larger drive and including Linux on it in a multi-boot configuration. It would save you the trouble of swapping hard drives. Your 6.4 may even have a resale market, or it could be a system backup. In article <20030403060105.89192.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com>, Onomatos wrote: >I have a 600x (2645-8eu) PIII-500 with 6.4g. I'm >contemplating a second hard drive to put Linux...for >experimentation. > >What does another 6.4g drive cost? What drive would >you recommend? Where is a good place to purchase? > -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From James@thinkpads.com Thu Apr 3 23:15:55 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:15:55 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you using the same drive caddy for the new HD that your old 3GB HD was in? Does the caddy's internal connection to the HD cover ALL of the HD's pins? Let us know. BTW, text only to the list please, no HTML! Regards, James From jhstone@ix.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 05:02:58 2003 From: jhstone@ix.netcom.com (Jim Stone) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? Message-ID: <3E8D1202.21393AC4@ix.netcom.com> Hi Guys, Long time lurker, first time poster, so be gentle :) I recently purchased a 760EL....The unit did not include a recovery/restore disk/cd. I have been searching E-bay for several months, and have seen recovery CDs for what seems like every Thinkpad model EXCEPT the 760 series? Did the 760 series originally come with a recovery/restore cd/disk? Is there some reason that recovery CDs for this series are so rare? Are these available direct from IBM?...cost? Can anyone furnish an alternate source for a 760 series recovery CD. And finally will I need a recovery cd explicitly for a 760EL, or will any 760 series CD work? This unit was a business machine and the previous owner/company deleted much of the original system software that was not directly related to their specific application. I would like to restore the unit to its original factory software installation. Thanks, Jim Stone From thinkpad@lightsides.com Fri Apr 4 05:13:51 2003 From: thinkpad@lightsides.com (Robert Mears) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:13:51 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] backup to compacr flash? In-Reply-To: <15633507855.20030401205341@erols.com> Message-ID: <200304032319921.SM01384@buck> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:53:41 -0500, Donald MacQueen wrote: >the price of cf is dropping fast. 512 megs is now ~$100. >anyone have any ideas about doing backups to cf? >-- >Donald That is an interesting concept. I guess it would depend on what you want to backup. I don't see why you can't. It's just raw storage. Format it like a harddrive and use some type of imaging software (ghost, drive image,etc) to store the image onto it. Robert From stevec50@yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 05:40:56 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:40:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? In-Reply-To: <3E8D1202.21393AC4@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20030404054056.17245.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Doesn't matter if it came with restore disks or not. You can load Windows 98, 98SE, ME, 2000, or XP on it from a standard Windows CD. ME works the best. If you use 98 you have to download a bunch of drivers from the IBM website. XP will run but is pretty slow. --- Jim Stone wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Long time lurker, first time poster, so be gentle > :) > > I recently purchased a 760EL....The unit did not > include a > recovery/restore disk/cd. I have been searching > E-bay for several > months, and have seen recovery CDs for what seems > like every Thinkpad > model EXCEPT the 760 series? Did the 760 series > originally come with a > recovery/restore cd/disk? Is there some reason > that recovery CDs for > this series are so rare? Are these available direct > from > IBM?...cost? Can anyone furnish an alternate > source for a 760 series > recovery CD. And finally will I need a recovery cd > explicitly for a > 760EL, or will any 760 series CD work? > > This unit was a business machine and the previous > owner/company deleted > much of the original system software that was not > directly related to > their specific application. I would like to restore > the unit to its > original factory software installation. > > Thanks, > Jim Stone > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From marrow@adelphia.net Fri Apr 4 05:58:56 2003 From: marrow@adelphia.net (Bill Morrrow-Adelphia) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] T40 is quite nice.. Message-ID: <17f201c2fa6f$47ed40c0$0201a8c0@w2kibmserver> i have a few quick pictures i took to send to the customer.. i'm not sure i like the 9 cell battery that hangs out the back end.. i would rather have one similar to the old extended life battery for the 240.. or lumpy like the X series battery.. :-) if asked, i'll send a few pics.. later i'll post them on my web site.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com From Donald MacQueen Fri Apr 4 12:34:23 2003 From: Donald MacQueen (Donald MacQueen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:23 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? In-Reply-To: <17f201c2fa6f$47ed40c0$0201a8c0@w2kibmserver> References: <17f201c2fa6f$47ed40c0$0201a8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <177244733974.20030404073423@erols.com> i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen [|] "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From mocek@azb.com Fri Apr 4 13:17:06 2003 From: mocek@azb.com (Stan Mocek) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:17:06 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? References: <17f201c2fa6f$47ed40c0$0201a8c0@w2kibmserver> <177244733974.20030404073423@erols.com> Message-ID: <000801c2faac$7df19b20$2101a8c0@THEADMIN> Donald MacQueen wrote: > i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support > usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. > > thanks. >From Microsoft: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q196661& However, it is my understanding that NT4 will support USB if the manufacturer of the device has written a driver for USB under NT4. I don't think that has happened much with mainstream devices, usually you see it on some type of specialized hardware. Stan Mocek From Peter Machule" <177244733974.20030404073423@erols.com> Message-ID: huh ? NT is not for laptops . yeah..yeah .....a bunch of latptops did ship with NT, but that was simply because win2k was not ready yet .. ..peter.. NT does not support USB .. pcmcia ..power management ..and ..and... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald MacQueen" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:34 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? > > i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support > usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. > > thanks. > > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen [|] > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." > - Edmund Burke > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From Kevin Koehler" Yes to the connector covers all of the pins, and I'm using the same type of disk enclosure, they have metal top plates, the other ones I have are all plastic and don't fit as well- it works fine in the ultrabay From James@thinkpads.com Fri Apr 4 17:08:54 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:08:54 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kevin Koehler wrote: > Yes to the connector covers all of the pins, and I'm using the same type of > disk enclosure, they have metal top plates, the other ones I have are all > plastic and don't fit as well- it works fine in the ultrabay That's the problem. The new drive is being seen as a SLAVE when it's in the machine as the MASTER. The standard for this setting wasn't established until after your original drive was built and the new drive is exactly the opposite. You need a "new" style drive caddy: http://www.thinkpads.com/prod04.htm or you need to do some selective surgery on the existing caddy to cut the drive select wires. Regards, James From cschumann@twp-llc.com Fri Apr 4 17:09:10 2003 From: cschumann@twp-llc.com (Chris Schumamm) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:09:10 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: 600x hard drive recommendation In-Reply-To: <20030404134052.2289.68658.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: The larger drives are much better value for the money. I also agree with the poster who said you should get a large drive and partition it. Why? The connectors for the hard drive are not meant to be used anywhere near as often as something like a PC Card connector. They will wear out if you swap drives frequently. I'm not sure just how fast they might fail, but just guessing, I'd say weekly is OK, daily might be a bit much. Chris > From: "Onomatos" > Subject: [Thinkpad] 600x hard drive recommendation > > I have a 600x (2645-8eu) PIII-500 with 6.4g. I'm > > contemplating a second hard drive to put Linux...for > > experimentation. > > > > What does another 6.4g drive cost? What drive would > > you recommend? Where is a good place to purchase? > > > > Thanks for the info, > > Onomatos From MLeeper@columbia.com Fri Apr 4 17:25:49 2003 From: MLeeper@columbia.com (Leeper, Michael) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:25:49 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] T40 is quite nice.. Message-ID: <88A237F0F2A83949BB50CA3CFB577B370127A0C3@US-TRILLIUM.columbia.csc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2FACF.3C18C078" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FACF.3C18C078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to see the pictures. Thanks, Michael Leeper ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FACF.3C18C078 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Thinkpad] T40 is quite nice..

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FACF.3C18C078-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From Kevin Koehler" So if I modify the drive select wires will the drive also still work in the ultra bay? What pin numbers are modified (57-60?), or can I short/ jumper the drive pins together on the drive before I attach the caddy cable connector, what would happen if I bent the hdd pins down- would it make the drive useless anywhere else? From machule@triumf.ca Fri Apr 4 17:44:56 2003 From: machule@triumf.ca (peter machule) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:44:56 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 References: Message-ID: <0e6e01c2fad1$e7cfcf60$03785a8e@sfupc> isolate pin 59 or 60, either of the last two . do it by unsoldering that socket/ pin of the flexible plastic wiring harness that goes from the caddy conector to the HD connector . the hole is quite a bit bigger than the pin of the socket connector so just unsolder it. then clean the area around the pin with a X-acto knife. this is much better than playing with the pins of the HD . ...peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Koehler" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 > So if I modify the drive select wires will the drive also still work in the > ultra bay? What pin numbers are modified (57-60?), or can I short/ jumper > the drive pins together on the drive before I attach the caddy cable > connector, what would happen if I bent the hdd pins down- would it make the > drive useless anywhere else? > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From James@thinkpads.com Fri Apr 4 18:32:45 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter Machule wrote: > NT is not for laptops . Huh? Sure it is. Maybe not the _best_ OS for a laptop, but there's thousands of corporate users running NT on their laptops. > yeah..yeah .....a bunch of latptops did ship with NT, > but that was simply because win2k was not ready yet .. The W2K recovery CDs give you the choice of installing W2K _or_ NT4! > NT does not support USB .. > pcmcia ..power management ..and ..and... Most of these problems have been resolved after SP6, with the exception of USB support. It's spotty enough to the point that I tell my NT users to not even bother trying to get it to work. Regards, James From stevec50@yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 21:03:44 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? In-Reply-To: <177244733974.20030404073423@erols.com> Message-ID: <20030404210344.49374.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Why on earth would you want to install something as old as NT? --- Donald MacQueen wrote: > > i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. > does nt 4 support > usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. > > thanks. > > > -- > Donald __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jberry@islandnet.com Fri Apr 4 21:41:03 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:41:03 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] FS - Crucial PC66 144pinn 128M References: <20030324134324.7738.28343.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: As of today, these memory sticks now work great in my 600E, which reported 294336 KB upon reboot. Under Win2K with 128 MB I was getting a fair bit of disk thrashing, but now everything is slightly faster AND no pauses for thrashing. A highly recommended upgrade for Win2K : 128MB is marginal for that OS, and I don't use any bloatware. Thanks, Tae! In article , Tae Hyong Kim wrote: > >Hi, > >Looking to sell my Crucial PC66MHz, 144-pin SODIMM 128M RAM. > >Crucial #: CT16M64S4W10.8T66 >Micron #: MT8LSDT1664HG-662B2 > >Worked great in my 600E. > >Pics on request. Looking for $17 shipped USPS Priority with Delivery >Confirmation, $30 shipped for two. I have two. Paypal preferred. >Thanks! > >- Tae >-- -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From jberry@islandnet.com Fri Apr 4 22:08:01 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? References: <20030404210344.49374.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Known stability Efficiency Cost of qualifying a new OS (business setting?) If it works don't fix it I've never used NT, but if I may borrow from other experience, I had one set of applications which I used to run happily in DOS. DR-DOS 5.0 was the last DOS which would run these applications (one was a TSR) as later versions of DOS did something funny with the hotkey. There is no Windows application that will do what these old applications did. Life goes on and I became satisfied with doing something less efficient because of all the other advantages of having more than 1 MB of RAM. But it did break that one important application for me. Incidentally, USB can be run in Windows 95 OSR 2.5, but not all devices. I helped somebody set up a system like that, she never wanted to add further USB devices, and we are both happy. I was wondering if it is possible to add 1394 / Firewire to a Win95a installation. Didn't find an answer in Google, but since people said you couldn't get it to work in Win98 (only Win98SE), I'm guessing the answer is "No". In article <20030404210344.49374.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com>, "Steve C." wrote: >Why on earth would you want to install something as >old as NT? >--- Donald MacQueen wrote: >> >> i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. >> does nt 4 support >> usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. >> >> thanks. >> >> >> -- >> Donald > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From Kevin Koehler" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2FAF2.03D7D020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter -It Works Now!! ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2FAF2.03D7D020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2FAF2.03D7D020-- From co273@bfn.org Sat Apr 5 09:33:19 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 04:33:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Parts request Message-ID: Hi. Does anyone here have a Thinkpad 560 (2640-x0u, where x<=2) DC/DC board that they can spare? I found that my current DC/DC board has a couple of loose solders in it which will bring the machine down during the most unfortunate times. I kind of kludged a fix into it by wedging a small piece of kleenex into the corner of the memory bay where the DC/DC meets the motherboard. This piece of tissue serves to push the loose solders into a position of tension so they will come into contact. So far it has worked and kept my machine from dying, as long as I take care in typing/using the trackpoint/picking the machine up. However, this is a temporary solution. A laptop that can die at any moment pending a jolt is not something I will feel safe to entrust data upon. I will appreciate amu offer for the part in question. From lists@akphs.com Sat Apr 5 14:06:37 2003 From: lists@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E batteries In-Reply-To: <20030405135147.7770.44585.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: I finally bit the bullet and bought a secondary battery. New, sealed, Japanese market unit, via eBay. So it arrived and I put it in, left it overnight. The battery applet still didn't show it. "Hmm", sez I. So I put it in another ThinkPad (since the one it was in I didn't want to reboot right then), and it showed up. Just to be sure, I unplugged the machine and removed the primary battery, and it stayed up. Put the primary battery back in and removed the secondary, and it shut off. Put the primary back in and hit the power button and it powered up. What am I missing here? Is the machine not smart enough to say "Look at that, two batteries, I'll use whichever has power"? Or is there an order -- once it starts using the secondary, the primary can't be used? If so, I can't carry a second primary and switch back without a reboot, which is too bad. Thanks for any info anyone can provide. ...phsiii From letoured@together.net Sat Apr 5 16:05:38 2003 From: letoured@together.net (letoured@together.net) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:05:38 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You message is confusing -- but it will work on one or both batteries. If it does not -- and I can't follow your message -- you either have a hardware problem or need to install the thinkpad utilities for the machine. JEGILDOHNEPLDAKIIEDKEAMEEAA.lists@akphs.com>, on 04/05/03 at 09:06 AM, "Phil Smith III" said: BAGHDADBAGHDAD >I finally bit the bullet and bought a secondary battery. New, sealed, >Japanese market unit, via eBay. >So it arrived and I put it in, left it overnight. The battery applet still >didn't show it. "Hmm", sez I. So I put it in another ThinkPad (since the >one it was in I didn't want to reboot right then), and it showed up. >Just to be sure, I unplugged the machine and removed the primary battery, and >it stayed up. Put the primary battery back in and removed the secondary, and >it shut off. >Put the primary back in and hit the power button and it powered up. >What am I missing here? Is the machine not smart enough to say "Look at >that, two batteries, I'll use whichever has power"? Or is there an order -- >once it starts using the secondary, the primary can't be used? If so, I >can't carry a second primary and switch back without a reboot, which is too >bad. >Thanks for any info anyone can provide. >...phsiii >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@together.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cschumann@twp-llc.com Sat Apr 5 16:33:09 2003 From: cschumann@twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:33:09 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600X Floppy Issue In-Reply-To: <20030405135147.7770.44585.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions about the CF thing. It still doesn't work, but I'm just giving up. I can live with serial transfer until I upgrade my digital camera. Anyway, since that whole fiasco, I've noticed that if I have my floppy drive in its external bay and boot the Win98SE disk, all is wonderful. If I put the floppy in the UltraSlimBay, it won't boot. Not all the way, at least. It finds that HIMEM.SYS is missing or corrupt and goes downhill from there. Running PC Doctor shows that any track after 44 has problems when in the UltraSlimBay, but again all is fine in the external floppy bay. It seems like I have to overcome more friction when putting the drive in the internal bay, so I'm thinking some padding is pressing on the drive, making the last half of the disk unreadable because of head positioning. I'd appreciate it if some of you 600/600E/600X owners could try this out and let me know if you have problems or not. My warranty expires this June, so I'll probably call IBM about this anyway, but I'd like to know if it's common all the same. Many thanks, Chris From hajo@smellycat.net Sat Apr 5 18:11:13 2003 From: hajo@smellycat.net (Hans-Joachim Klingshirn) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:11:13 +0200 Subject: [Thinkpad] X30 and Linux Message-ID: <20030405201113.6b0193d7.hajo@smellycat.net> Hi, I worked with my X30 for some weeks now, running dual-boot Linux Debian and Windows XP. The Linux support is nearly perfect. I wrote an overview here: http://wuw.stusta.mhn.de/~u002149a/thinkpad/index.html Does anyone have some real uptime values of what to expect from the extendend life battery? Greetings, HaJo Klingshirn From amdnforcegeforce@yahoo.com Sat Apr 5 19:25:53 2003 From: amdnforcegeforce@yahoo.com (Justin Stewart) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:25:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Thinkpad] ThinkPad 600, $95 Message-ID: <20030405192554.20487.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> I am selling a ThinkPad 600 model 2645-31U. It is ONLY $95 12.1" Screen P-233MMX 128MB RAM(32MB Base + 32MB EDO + 64MB EDO) 6.4GB HDD AC Adapter There are a few things to address thoughm there is no battery cd drive or hdd cover. it is also missing the K key(though it still has the rubber piece so you can still use it, you just have to replace the plastic) it also has a crack in the palm wrest right underneath where you palms would go. http://www.got-brain.com/justin/images/thinkpad.jpg I need to have the payment by paypal by next friday(4-11-03),if you want to buy it, shipping is only $10, if you like for an extra $10(shipping included) I can include a selectabase 600. If you are interested please email me immediately. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From tkim@lynx.neu.edu Sat Apr 5 20:44:51 2003 From: tkim@lynx.neu.edu (Tae Hyong Kim) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:44:51 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] FS - Crucial PC66 144pinn 128M In-Reply-To: <20030405135147.7770.44585.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> References: <20030405135147.7770.44585.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: >From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) >To: thinkpad@stderr.org >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] FS - Crucial PC66 144pinn 128M >Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:41:03 -0800 >Organization: www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ > >As of today, these memory sticks now work great in my 600E, >which reported 294336 KB upon reboot. Under Win2K with 128 MB >I was getting a fair bit of disk thrashing, but now everything >is slightly faster AND no pauses for thrashing. A highly >recommended upgrade for Win2K : 128MB is marginal for that OS, >and I don't use any bloatware. > >Thanks, Tae! Glad it worked for you. Canadian mail isn't *that* slow ... - Tae -- "Inter caecos regnat luscus." From goretsky@adelphia.net Sat Apr 5 22:55:42 2003 From: goretsky@adelphia.net (Aryeh Goretsky) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:55:42 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] [TPALL] USB and Windows NT? In-Reply-To: <20030404134052.2289.68658.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030405154738.01ec9668@pop.abs.adelphia.net> Hello, A list of commercial USB stacks and specific USB hardware which works with Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 is available at http://www.usbman.com/Win%20NT%20USB%20Guide.htm BSquare sells a single-user USB stack for $40.00. More information can be found on their web site at http://store.bsquare.com/catalog/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog&parent_id=127 InsideOut Networks also has a USB stack for sale--you need to contact them directly for licensing, though. More information can be found on their web site at http://www.ionetworks.com/support/nt4doc.html It appears both offerings are for USB 1.1 support, only, although it would probably be a good idea to check directly with each developer. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky At 07:40 AM 4/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:23 -0500 >From: Donald MacQueen >Reply-To: Donald MacQueen >To: thinkpad@stderr.org >Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? > > >i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support >usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. > >thanks. > > >-- >Donald > >Donald M. MacQueen [|] >"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." >- Edmund Burke From raybay@broadcast.net Sun Apr 6 04:16:13 2003 From: raybay@broadcast.net (RayBay) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:16:13 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] [TPALL] USB and Windows NT? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030405154738.01ec9668@pop.abs.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3E8F9BFD.A6892CBD@broadcast.net> The USBMAN stuff is not stuff that works consistently or reliably... don't know about the others.... But all gimmicks for USB on Windows NT 4.0 are suspect, in the experience of our user Federal employees user group.... work with some... not with others... or they work most of the time on the same computer, then fail to work when you really need them... it is a common NT thing. -- I sing what was lost and dread what was won, I walk in a battle fought over again, My king a lost king, and lost soldiers my men; Feet to the Rising and Setting may run, They always beat on the same small stone. - William Butler Yeats From Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Sun Apr 6 17:03:55 2003 From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu (Stuart F. Biggar) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 09:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] new A series or T40 with bright, high contrast LCD display? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406082431.00aec8f0@athena.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Anyone have any ideas if IBM is planning to release a new Centrino mobile CPU A series to replace the current A31p (and compete with the Dell D800 with the WUXGA+ (1920x1200 pixel 15.4", 185 nit, 300:1 contrast ratio display) and 1.6 GHz Pentium M, etc)? Or a T40 with a better LCD like the FlexView with in plane switching (IPS) technology in the A31p (it has a 400:1 contrast ratio with wide angle viewing)? I haven't been able to find a contrast ratio spec on the T40p (it isn't in the March 2003 version 258 tabook.pdf like it is for the A31p). In a similar vein, the tabook.pdf doesn't list a brightness for the A31p but lists the T40p at 150 nits. In both cases, higher is better, especially if you need to see the display outside (I live in southern Arizona and use notebooks on field trips). Did IBM really leave IEEE-1394 out of the T40p? (I realize that it includes USB 2.0 but Firewire is better than USB 2 in certain respects). Anyone know if the T40p supports DVI when in the Dock II or does it just support analog video out (tabook.pdf says analog but the Dock II has a DVI port included)? I've looked around on the IBM site but I have not been able to find the answers to the above - sorry if I've overlooked something. Stuart From Bill Morrrow-THINKPADS.COM-Adelphia" Message-ID: <034601c2fc6b$4a3d5970$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> all i can do is read the same specs.. from my very brief time with one T40 which i sent to a customer who wanted the 40gig upgraded to the 80gig, i looked for the fireware, and there is none.. only two USB 2.0 ports.. the display looked quite bright and i did take a look from the side and it looke pretty good.. mose noteable is that the antenna is now on the top edge of the display.. and the BT on/off is a Fn key (per another happy customer).. no idea of when the A40 (or "G" series - see my web site) will be announced.. or what the top end thinkpad will have.. you can extrapolate from what others are doing and what intel is doing.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart F. Biggar" To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] new A series or T40 with bright, high contrast LCD display? > Anyone have any ideas if IBM is planning to release a new Centrino > mobile CPU A series to replace the current A31p (and compete with > the Dell D800 with the WUXGA+ (1920x1200 pixel 15.4", 185 nit, > 300:1 contrast ratio display) and 1.6 GHz Pentium M, etc)? > > Or a T40 with a better LCD like the FlexView with in plane switching > (IPS) technology in the A31p (it has a 400:1 contrast ratio with wide > angle viewing)? I haven't been able to find a contrast ratio spec on > the T40p (it isn't in the March 2003 version 258 tabook.pdf like it > is for the A31p). In a similar vein, the tabook.pdf doesn't list > a brightness for the A31p but lists the T40p at 150 nits. In both > cases, higher is better, especially if you need to see the display > outside (I live in southern Arizona and use notebooks on field trips). > > Did IBM really leave IEEE-1394 out of the T40p? (I realize that it > includes USB 2.0 but Firewire is better than USB 2 in certain respects). > > Anyone know if the T40p supports DVI when in the Dock II or does it just > support analog video out (tabook.pdf says analog but the Dock II has a DVI > port included)? > > I've looked around on the IBM site but I have not been able to find the > answers to the above - sorry if I've overlooked something. > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Bill Morrrow-THINKPADS.COM-Adelphia" <0e6e01c2fad1$e7cfcf60$03785a8e@sfupc> Message-ID: <034701c2fc6b$50aa6640$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> no, it is pin #'s 3 and 4 on the header socket on the 17mm HDD flex wiring "harness".. 59 & 60 is the wron pair at the wrong end.. want pics, just ask.. on ther trapezoid plug from flex wiring cable to thinkpad socket it is pins 57 & 58.. i used to cut the traces.. then i desoldered and pulled the two offending metal parts out of the header plug that is soldered to the flex wiring (harness).. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter machule" To: "Kevin Koehler" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 > isolate pin 59 or 60, either of the last two . > do it by unsoldering that socket/ pin of the flexible plastic wiring > harness that goes from the caddy conector to the HD connector . > the hole is quite a bit bigger than the pin of the socket connector so just > unsolder it. > then clean the area around the pin with a X-acto knife. > > > this is much better than playing with the pins of the HD . > > > > ...peter.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Koehler" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] New 40G HDD on TP760XD using DM2000 > > > > So if I modify the drive select wires will the drive also still work in > the > > ultra bay? What pin numbers are modified (57-60?), or can I short/ jumper > > the drive pins together on the drive before I attach the caddy cable > > connector, what would happen if I bent the hdd pins down- would it make > the > > drive useless anywhere else? > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From jberry@islandnet.com Sun Apr 6 22:23:47 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:23:47 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] new A series or T40 with bright, high contrast LCD display? References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406082431.00aec8f0@athena.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Message-ID: >Did IBM really leave IEEE-1394 out of the T40p? (I realize that it >includes USB 2.0 but Firewire is better than USB 2 in certain respects). Just speculation on my part, but ... 1394 and USB2 have equal merits. 1394, however, dominates the Digital Video market. What does IBM know about Digital Video? Furthermore, the home and prosumer DV market is plagued with all sorts of growing pains and incompatibilities. Intractable ones that teams of people work on for months and still are not able to straighten out. None of the problems is strictly 1394 related, 1394 is just as reliable for video as it is for hard drives (i.e. very reliable). But once IBM puts a 1394 port on its computers, IBM becomes a target to solve these problems. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From mike94109@yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 01:18:52 2003 From: mike94109@yahoo.com (Mike Ryan) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] 80Gig on T30? Message-ID: <20030407001852.38155.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Bill (or anyone else...) Have you had a chance to test the 80Gig HD on a T30? I'd sure like to try Linux alongside my OS/2 and WinXP operating systems. With the additional hard disk space I could do that. Thanks. Mike __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From Bill Morrrow-THINKPADS.COM-Adelphia" Message-ID: <03d401c2fcae$8257b3d0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> if you're asking, will it will fit and work..? in a T30 (or most any other thinkpad)..? yes.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ryan" To: "ThinkPad Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] 80Gig on T30? > Bill (or anyone else...) > > Have you had a chance to test the 80Gig HD on a T30? > I'd sure like to try Linux alongside my OS/2 and WinXP > operating systems. With the additional hard disk > space I could do that. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From cschumann@twp-llc.com Mon Apr 7 05:14:13 2003 From: cschumann@twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 23:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Nametags, anyone? In-Reply-To: <20030404134052.2289.68658.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: I'd like to get engraved nametags for the little areas for them on my ThinkPads. Does anyone have contact information for the company that IBM says will make a tag for the machine? I suppose any such company would do OK, though. Thanks, Chris From rwhittle@usa.net Mon Apr 7 06:52:33 2003 From: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Nametags, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <20030404134052.2289.68658.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030406225058.03ca7ed8@pop3.iceka.com> At 11:14 PM 4/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to get engraved nametags for the little areas for them >on my ThinkPads. Does anyone have contact information for the >company that IBM says will make a tag for the machine? > >I suppose any such company would do OK, though. I recently had a plaque engraved at a local trophy shop. It occurs to me that you could easily have such a shop cut and/or engrave little nameplates for your ThinkPad. Just a thought... From jsantang@optonline.net Mon Apr 7 14:07:33 2003 From: jsantang@optonline.net (joe) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:07:33 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vQw1zAv1OVWXPjeSpg0WPw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Jim, I put a 6GB HDD in my 760EL, maxed out the RAM to 104MB, and run W2K. All works great (except int. modem, which I don’t use anyway). The sound is good and it does work fine with W2K. Upgrade BIOS, load all the specific drivers, and do a clean install of the OS, no need for restore disks. Joe --Boundary_(ID_vQw1zAv1OVWXPjeSpg0WPw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Jim,

 

I put a 6GB HDD in my 760EL, maxed out the RAM to 104MB, and run W2K.  All works great (except int. modem, which I don’t use anyway). The sound is good and it does work fine with W2K.  Upgrade BIOS, load all the specific drivers, and do a clean install of the OS, no need for restore disks.

 

Joe

--Boundary_(ID_vQw1zAv1OVWXPjeSpg0WPw)-- From Dr. Jeffrey Race" Cleaning up my daughter's TP (she ran out of space) using Add/Remove programs, some strange things have now begun to happen, perhaps unrelated and perhaps coincidental. Please offer hints how to diagnose further or what to do if you hit on the answer ONE Sometimes the system does not respond to keyboard entry, either at the GUI or at a command prompt, for many seconds, as though it were timing out waiting for something. What might cause this or how could I determine what the system is waiting for? (Eventually the system begins to respond again) TWO Can't get the NIC to work any more. WINIPCFG won't release the IP address, and renew won't get a new one. Just before this happened, I succeeded in releasing (it showed 0.0.0.0) and when it renewed, it showed 169.254.89.137, which is NOT the router-assigned IP address! (That is 192.168.1.5.( I can however ping the NIC at this WRONG address. Where could it be coming from? (I have just tried it again an dnow it shows 169.254.70.137!) As a control, if I connect my OS/2 machine to the same ethernet cable, I am assigned the correct address of 192.168.1.5. I notice that lately the router's LED no longer shows the port active when I connect the cable to the Win98 machine. (Formerly the router's LED would illuminate when the Win98 machine booted, and it still does when I connect the OS/2 machine.) I am not sure this is a s/w or possibly a h/w problem so wiell appreciate any step-by-step guidance to figure out this mess. Jeffrey Race From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 7 17:15:24 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:15:24 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? References: Message-ID: <001101c2fd20$e6fb39c0$7700a8c0@600e400> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FCFF.5E02D860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 760EL does not have an internal modem! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: joe=20 To: thinkpad@stderr.org=20 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? Jim, =20 I put a 6GB HDD in my 760EL, maxed out the RAM to 104MB, and run W2K. = All works great (except int. modem, which I don't use anyway). The sound = is good and it does work fine with W2K. Upgrade BIOS, load all the = specific drivers, and do a clean install of the OS, no need for restore = disks. =20 Joe ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FCFF.5E02D860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The 760EL does not have an = internal=20 modem!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 joe=20
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 = 9:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] First = Time=20 Poster....760el Recovery Disk????

Jim,

 

I put=20 a 6GB HDD in my 760EL, maxed out the RAM to 104MB, and run W2K.  All works great (except int. = modem,=20 which I don=92t use anyway). The sound is good and it does work fine = with=20 W2K.  Upgrade BIOS, load = all the=20 specific drivers, and do a clean install of the OS, no need for = restore=20 disks.

 

Joe

= ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2FCFF.5E02D860-- From elw@stderr.org Mon Apr 7 17:23:38 2003 From: elw@stderr.org (elijah wright) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:23:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E/Win98 peculiar behavior In-Reply-To: <200304071616.h37GG9kt023591@illuminati.stderr.org> References: <200304071616.h37GG9kt023591@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: these could all be tightly coupled issues. perhaps the timeout is waiting-for-a-network-response? .... sounds bad. I'd try killing all of the network settings (first delete the IP settings / protocols, then actually remove the card's driver), rebooting a couple of times, and then reconfiguring it. elijah FIRST > Sometimes the system does not respond to keyboard entry, either at > the GUI or at a command prompt, for many seconds, as though it were > TWO > Can't get the NIC to work any more. WINIPCFG won't release the THIRD > I notice that lately the router's LED no longer shows the port > active when I connect the cable to the Win98 machine. (Formerly From dberman@4dv.net Mon Apr 7 17:44:27 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:44:27 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT:If SP1 caused slow start in Windows XP Message-ID: <005601c2fd24$f43ec6c0$0200000a@f5yxd> Bumped into this while looking for something else and thought some folks here might have encountered this problem. For anyone whose XP system startup slowed down after installing SP1: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q815411 Microsoft does not have the patch available on its update site, but it's available here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ahrk_2k/files/Q815411_WXP_SP2_x86_ENU.exe Deanna dberman@4dv.net From Mike@Geary.com Mon Apr 7 18:38:46 2003 From: Mike@Geary.com (Michael Geary) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:38:46 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E/Win98 peculiar behavior In-Reply-To: <200304071616.h37GG9kt023591@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: > From: Jeffrey Race > > Can't get the NIC to work any more. WINIPCFG won't release the > IP address, and renew won't get a new one. Just before this > happened, I succeeded in releasing (it showed 0.0.0.0) and when > it renewed, it showed 169.254.89.137, which is NOT the router-assigned > IP address! (That is 192.168.1.5.( I can however ping the NIC > at this WRONG address. Where could it be coming from? (I have > just tried it again an dnow it shows 169.254.70.137!) > > As a control, if I connect my OS/2 machine to the same ethernet > cable, I am assigned the correct address of 192.168.1.5. > > I notice that lately the router's LED no longer shows the port > active when I connect the cable to the Win98 machine. (Formerly > the router's LED would illuminate when the Win98 machine booted, > and it still does when I connect the OS/2 machine.) That is why you're getting the 169.254.*.* IP addresses. These are autoconfigure addresses that are randomly assigned if no DHCP server is found. Get the network link working again and you'll start getting the IP address you expect from your DHCP server (the router). > Sometimes the system does not respond to keyboard entry, either at > the GUI or at a command prompt, for many seconds, as though it > were timing out waiting for something. What might cause this or > how could I determine what the system is waiting for? (Eventually > the system begins to respond again) It's possible this is related to the other problem. Do the delays occur if the network card is not in the machine? -Mike From ecottrell@doble.com Mon Apr 7 18:42:57 2003 From: ecottrell@doble.com (Cottrell, Eric) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:42:57 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E/Win98 peculiar behavior Message-ID: <6ED95C184239FC419DFE88BA4797376502F666@mailnt.doble.com> Hello, One of the things I did not like about W95/W98/ME was the freezing that happened when the computer could not find a network resource like a disk share. NT/W2K does not suffer from this problem. I would check in the control panel under the network icon. Select the properties of the TCP/IP protocol object that lists the NIC card. I bet the bad IP address is listed in the IP Address tab. Select the Obtain IP Address from DHCP server setting (or is it the Automagically setting?). Also check the settings for the NIC card under the same network icon. Check that the card is recognized when inserted. Also be aware that Windows will treat the same card inserted in each slot as a separate device. I heard of one person who set it up so inserting the NIC in the top slot would set it up for the office network and the bottom slot would set it up for the home network. 73 Eric From jsantang@optonline.net Mon Apr 7 20:01:06 2003 From: jsantang@optonline.net (joe) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:01:06 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] First Time Poster....760el Recovery Disk???? Message-ID: Bruce, So thats why i couldn't get one to appear under device manager!! Wow, wasted alot of time on that problem, oh well. thanks, joe From Roland@rappphotography.com Mon Apr 7 21:58:55 2003 From: Roland@rappphotography.com (Roland Rapp) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:58:55 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] CPU upgrade in 600X Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2FD16.35C3AFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone been successful with the CPU upgrade. I found several threads but no one claiming success with upgrading the CPU from 500 in a 600X Roland Rapp, CPP Certified Professional Photographer mailto:roland@rappphotography.com 441 West 7th Street Chadron, NE 69337 phone/fax 308-432-3448 http://rappphotography.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Has = anyone been=20 successful with the CPU upgrade.  I found several threads but no = one=20 claiming success with upgrading the CPU from 500 in a = 600X

Roland Rapp, CPP
Certified Professional = Photographer
mailto:roland@rappphotography.= com
441=20 West 7th Street
Chadron, NE 69337
phone/fax 308-432-3448
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2FD16.35C3AFC0-- From klkoehler@hotmail.com Mon Apr 7 23:13:03 2003 From: klkoehler@hotmail.com (Kevin Koehler) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:13:03 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] WinXP drivers for TP760XD /MWave? Message-ID: I've gone and installed winXP on my 760XD, are there any tips to installing MWave modem, or should I roll back to 200? Are there any compatible drivers to make it work like generic modem or hayes compatible? It runs fine but I just have trouble with MWave, will NT4 drivers be recognised by WinXP? From jberry@islandnet.com Tue Apr 8 00:51:33 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:51:33 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600E/Win98 peculiar behavior References: <6ED95C184239FC419DFE88BA4797376502F666@mailnt.doble.com> Message-ID: In article <6ED95C184239FC419DFE88BA4797376502F666@mailnt.doble.com>, "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: >Hello, > >One of the things I did not like about W95/W98/ME was the freezing that >happened when the computer could not find a network resource like a >disk share. NT/W2K does not suffer from this problem. > Running W2K SP3, I often find that the computer fails to respond for about a minute, after the desktop is complete and and the StartUp progs are running, if it does not find another computer which was connected to it before the reboot. If find it annoying, AND it is scarey to sensitive users (why is the computer broken?). I hope there is a way to turn this behaviour off. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From stevec50@yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 01:10:48 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] OT:If SP1 caused slow start in Windows XP In-Reply-To: <005601c2fd24$f43ec6c0$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: <20030408001048.54619.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, but I would never install SP1 (or SP2 or any other SP). --- Deanna Berman wrote: > Bumped into this while looking for something else > and thought some folks > here might have encountered this problem. > > For anyone whose XP system startup slowed down after > installing SP1: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q815411 > > Microsoft does not have the patch available on its > update site, but it's > available here: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ahrk_2k/files/Q815411_WXP_SP2_x86_ENU.exe > > Deanna > dberman@4dv.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From swilcox@indy.rr.com Tue Apr 8 02:34:38 2003 From: swilcox@indy.rr.com (Scott Wilcox) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] CPU upgrade in 600X References: Message-ID: <00b001c2fd6f$056d46c0$3501a8c0@panasonic> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FD45.1C219990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I recall, someone on this list upgraded a 600X to 800 or 850 mhz. The = unit sold on ebay. That has been 6 to 9 months ago. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roland Rapp=20 To: thinkpad@stderr.org=20 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] CPU upgrade in 600X Has anyone been successful with the CPU upgrade. I found several = threads but no one claiming success with upgrading the CPU from 500 in a = 600X Roland Rapp, CPP Certified Professional Photographer mailto:roland@rappphotography.com 441 West 7th Street Chadron, NE 69337 phone/fax 308-432-3448 http://rappphotography.com ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FD45.1C219990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I recall, someone on this list = upgraded a 600X=20 to 800 or 850 mhz. The unit sold on ebay.  That has been 6 to = 9 months=20 ago.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roland Rapp
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 = 3:58=20 PM
Subject: [Thinkpad] CPU upgrade = in=20 600X

Has = anyone been=20 successful with the CPU upgrade.  I found several threads but no = one=20 claiming success with upgrading the CPU from 500 in a = 600X

Roland Rapp, CPP
Certified Professional = Photographer
mailto:roland@rappphotography.= com
441=20 West 7th Street
Chadron, NE 69337
phone/fax 308-432-3448
http://rappphotography.com


 
------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C2FD45.1C219990-- From James@thinkpads.com Tue Apr 8 03:53:09 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] CPU upgrade in 600X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roland Rapp wrote: > Has anyone been successful with the CPU upgrade. I found several > threads but no one claiming success with upgrading the CPU from > 500 in a 600X Can't be done. The motherboard in the 450MHz and 500MHz 600Xs isn't Speedstep enabled, only the MBs in the 650MHz units are. 500MHz is the max for the non-speedstep units. The 650MHz ones will go to 850MHz, which is the fastest MMC-2 module made by Intel. Plain text only to the list please, no HTML. Regards, James From thinkpad@lightsides.com Tue Apr 8 05:02:52 2003 From: thinkpad@lightsides.com (Robert Mears) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:02:52 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? In-Reply-To: <177244733974.20030404073423@erols.com> Message-ID: <200304072308578.SM01448@buck> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:23 -0500, Donald MacQueen wrote: >i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support >usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. I know this is kinda late but here is some of the responses when I asked that same question about a clone box I cobbled together: Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the easy way to answer your question... --------------------------------------- hey, USBs are not supported under NT4, and unfortunately it wont be, since microsoft is going for the windows 2000 whose all distributions support USB (professional, server, advanced server and datacenter server) you either degrade to windows98 or upgrade to windows2000 to get your USB recognised, under NT (its not supported) unfortunately :( Suggest you read Q196661(http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q196/6/61.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=tech&FR=0) whose title is "Windows NT 4.0 Does Not Support Universal Serial Bus" and whose summary is "Windows NT 4.0 does not support Universal Serial Bus (USB) host controllers. There are no plans to provide USB support in Windows NT 4.0 in a future service pack." now, the hard way is here... ---------------------------- http://www.bluewatersystems.com/products_USB.html "Our USB Extension to WinDK lets you write USB device drivers for Windows NT 4.0 and Windows NT Embedded that are also source code compatible with Windows 2000 and Windows 98! Includes OHCI and UHCI support, printer classOur USB Extension to WinDK gives USB capability to Windows NT 4.0 and Windows NT Embedded. driver, mouse driver and keyboard driver." OR... ----- There are some 3rd party solutions that will enable USB support in NT. Just go to Google.com and do a search for USB and NT. here also, an abstract I found intersting on this topic... ---------------------------------------------------------- Q. Does Windows NT/2000 support USB? A. A. Universal Serial Bus is the new external bus standard for the connection of PC peripherals. The idea behind USB is it will be plug and play and as devices are connected they will automatically be detected and installed. Windows NT 4.0 does not provide built in USB support, you will need to wait for Windows 2000 or switch to Windows 98. Some boxes convert the USB devices into serial ports. Inside Out has produced USB cards and hubs for NT 4.0, see http://www.ionetworks.com/press/nt.html although these are limited. http://www.ltitl.com/ has announced they are developing a Windows NT 4.0 USB driver: "Hello Everybody, We at Larsen and Toubro Information Technology Limited,India are glad to inform that we have developed basic USB support for Windows NT 4.0. This has been tested with a USB Joystick. This comes as a GREAT relief to all those who have been frantically searching for USB support on Windows NT 4.0. So here we are, ready and more than happy to help you enhance the capabilities of your USB devices which can range from scanners (HP, etc), Cameras, keyboard, mouse, etc for Windows NT 4.0. Since we are conversant with USB, we can develop USB device drivers for other operating systems also." ryan3d: if you still need any additional clarification, please let me know... Best Wishes | Khaled From Peter Machule" Message-ID: NT does not support USB .... that is a given Also most device drivers during the install phase, check the version of the operating system . At this point ...the install will stop ! This includes win 95 OSR2.x ..even though it did support USB. The device driver will simply not be installed. yes there are work arounds ...but ......dead horse ...blah ..blah . .peter ... ;-} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mears" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] usb and windows nt? > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:34:23 -0500, Donald MacQueen wrote: > > >i am considering putting windows nt 4 on a thinkpad. does nt 4 support > >usb? i can't seem to find a definitive answer. > From simon.watson@ed.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 15:57:12 2003 From: simon.watson@ed.ac.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:57:12 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad T22: Creating hard drive image disk Message-ID: <008b01c2fddf$26157530$9772d781@swatson> Hi I have recently acquired a T22 (2647-8CU, 512MB RAM). It came pre-installed with Windows 2000 and Office 2000 Pro. I want to copy the hard-drive onto CDs for future backup & reinstallation purposes. I have a copy of Norton Systemworks 2003 including Ghost and tried to create an image disk of the entire hard drive but it crashed (3 CDs later). I've never made an image disk before and there is also a 'Clone' option on Ghost that seems to do something very similar to 'image'. Before I burn a further 3 CDs can anyone advise me on the best way to back up the HD and tips for using Ghost. With best wishes Simon From simon.watson@ed.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 16:42:35 2003 From: simon.watson@ed.ac.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:42:35 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive Message-ID: <00b501c2fde5$7a329a70$9772d781@swatson> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C2FDED.DBCAC250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I need a replacement mounting frame or caddy (the metal thing you bolt = your hardrive into) plus screws for a ThinkPad 600. It's a 12mm wide = 4GB Travelstar drive. I live in the UK but would be happy to purchase = it from overseas. If anyone has one for sale or knows a place where I = can buy one, please get in touch. Best wishes Simon ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C2FDED.DBCAC250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I need a replacement mounting frame or = caddy (the=20 metal thing you bolt your hardrive into) plus screws for a ThinkPad = 600.  It's a 12mm wide 4GB Travelstar drive.  I live in = the UK=20 but would be happy to purchase it from overseas.  If anyone has one = for=20 sale or knows a place where I can buy one, please get in = touch.
 
Best wishes
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C2FDED.DBCAC250-- From Gary Kuznitz Tue Apr 8 16:52:10 2003 From: Gary Kuznitz (Gary Kuznitz) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad T22: Creating hard drive image disk In-Reply-To: <008b01c2fddf$26157530$9772d781@swatson> Message-ID: <3E928DBA.15881.FA1148E@localhost> What error did you get? What options were you using? Did you have it plugged into a/c? or did your battery run out? On 8 Apr 2003 at 15:57, Simon (Simon Watson ) commented about [Thinkpad] Thinkpad T22: Creating hard drive imag: > Hi > > I have recently acquired a T22 (2647-8CU, 512MB RAM). It came pre-installed > with Windows 2000 and Office 2000 Pro. I want to copy the hard-drive onto CDs > for future backup & reinstallation purposes. I have a copy of Norton > Systemworks 2003 including Ghost and tried to create an image disk of the entire > hard drive but it crashed (3 CDs later). I've never made an image disk before > and there is also a 'Clone' option on Ghost that seems to do something very > similar to 'image'. > > Before I burn a further 3 CDs can anyone advise me on the best way to back > up the HD and tips for using Ghost. > > With best wishes > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From jberry@islandnet.com Tue Apr 8 17:36:18 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:36:18 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad T22: Creating hard drive image disk References: <008b01c2fddf$26157530$9772d781@swatson> Message-ID: One approach that doesn't use any software is to install Win2K on another partition of the HD, boot to that installation, and suddenly the files that you want to copy will be easier to deal with. You could use the free Backup4all, for example. With careful selection of files and directories for the compressed archives, things will fit neatly on CD-Rs. This sounds like a perfect application for an external (Firewire USB2 or SCSI) 4.7 GB DVD-RAM drive, or a magneto-optical disk. Both are more reliable than CD-R. For your purposes, CD-R should be reliable enough. It's not your Life's Work. But not having to slice everything into 700 MB chunks is a bonus. Sorry, I don't know anything about Norton or Ghost. In article <008b01c2fddf$26157530$9772d781@swatson>, "Simon Watson" wrote: >Hi > >I have recently acquired a T22 (2647-8CU, 512MB RAM). It came pre-installed >with Windows 2000 and Office 2000 Pro. I want to copy the hard-drive onto >CDs for future backup & reinstallation purposes. I have a copy of Norton >Systemworks 2003 including Ghost and tried to create an image disk of the >entire hard drive but it crashed (3 CDs later). I've never made an image >disk before and there is also a 'Clone' option on Ghost that seems to do >something very similar to 'image'. > >Before I burn a further 3 CDs can anyone advise me on the best way to back >up the HD and tips for using Ghost. > >With best wishes > >Simon > > -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From levanger@comcast.net Tue Apr 8 18:01:25 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:01:25 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP760XL Problem References: Message-ID: <005301c2fdf0$7d758f70$6401a8c0@beasst> Thanks James, you were dead on! I would not have guessed that in 100 years. John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Levanger" ; "Thinkpad Forum" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] TP760XL Problem John Levanger wrote: > Need some advice on a problem with a 760XL that I sold to a friend. > It has quit turning on. When the power switch is turned on there's a > "clicking" sound that emits from the speakers and the status LED's all > blink. I have tried booting it with no components installed, same problem. > The a/c adapter and the battery are new. Is there some sort of power board > on the system board that may have gone bad? I really feel this is a power > problem although I could be wrong. Any insight would be appreciated. I'd bet money on a dead CMOS battery John. Regards, James From Pete.Murray@carlson-europe.com Tue Apr 8 18:33:10 2003 From: Pete.Murray@carlson-europe.com (Murray, Pete) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:33:10 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------=_NextPartTM-000-e4a03978-699c-11d7-84fe-00508b5ed170 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDF4.ECB52FE0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDF4.ECB52FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got mine from ebay(make sure that you search by "available to the UK" rather than just "located in the UK"), and make sure that it has the blue pull tab on it, otherwise you'll never be able to remove it! Heres a link to a search I did earlier:- http://cq-search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?GetResult &query=ibm+caddy+600&shortcut=3&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&currdisp=1&combine=y&st= 2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort Also you could try these people:- http://www.clonesuk.com/index.htm or these http://www.itxchange.com/ you could try IBM on 01475-555-055 or IBM's parts web site(not working properly at the moment) http://commerce-13.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=306 3814 &cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=826&lang=en_GB Good Luck! -----Original Message----- From: Simon Watson [mailto:simon.watson@ed.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:43 PM To: thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive Hi I need a replacement mounting frame or caddy (the metal thing you bolt your hardrive into) plus screws for a ThinkPad 600. It's a 12mm wide 4GB Travelstar drive. I live in the UK but would be happy to purchase it from overseas. If anyone has one for sale or knows a place where I can buy one, please get in touch. Best wishes Simon ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2FDF4.ECB52FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = got mine from=20 ebay(make sure that you search by "available to the UK" rather = than just=20 "located in the UK"), and make sure that it has the blue pull tab on = it,=20 otherwise you'll never be able to remove it!
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Hi
 
I need a replacement mounting frame = or caddy (the=20 metal thing you bolt your hardrive into) plus screws for a = ThinkPad=20 600.  It's a 12mm wide 4GB Travelstar drive.  I live = in the UK=20 but would be happy to purchase it from overseas.  If anyone has = one for=20 sale or knows a place where I can buy one, please get in = touch.
 
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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the company. ------=_NextPartTM-000-e4a03978-699c-11d7-84fe-00508b5ed170-- From James@thinkpads.com Tue Apr 8 18:52:19 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP760XL Problem In-Reply-To: <005301c2fdf0$7d758f70$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: John Levanger wrote: > Thanks James, you were dead on! I would not have guessed that in 100 years. You're very welcome John. You wouldn't believe the number of "dead" laptops (of any make) I see weekly that are resurrected by simply installing a new CMOS battery. This problem has evolved from the introduction of the APM aware BIOS in laptops since around 1994 and was first recognized in the 701 and 755s. The primary cause is the fact that the power switch on our units isn't really the switch at all but a momentary contact device that activates an internal solid state solenoid. It's the solenoid that powers up our units, and it gets it's power from the CMOS battery. Regards, James From Dr. Jeffrey Race" Failing (now failed) hard disk :( Jeffrey Race On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:38:46 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> From: Jeffrey Race >> >> Can't get the NIC to work any more. WINIPCFG won't release the >> IP address, and renew won't get a new one. Just before this >> happened, I succeeded in releasing (it showed 0.0.0.0) and when >> it renewed, it showed 169.254.89.137, which is NOT the router-assigned >> IP address! (That is 192.168.1.5.( I can however ping the NIC >> at this WRONG address. Where could it be coming from? (I have >> just tried it again an dnow it shows 169.254.70.137!) >> >> As a control, if I connect my OS/2 machine to the same ethernet >> cable, I am assigned the correct address of 192.168.1.5. >> >> I notice that lately the router's LED no longer shows the port >> active when I connect the cable to the Win98 machine. (Formerly >> the router's LED would illuminate when the Win98 machine booted, >> and it still does when I connect the OS/2 machine.) From lists@ahjg.co.uk Wed Apr 9 14:09:02 2003 From: lists@ahjg.co.uk (Anthony R. Gold) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:09:02 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening Message-ID: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> I just got a new CDRW drive for a TP600e slim drive bay, it's a Sony CRX700E, and I find that the CD tray is popping open at random times when the drive is idle and not in use. The latch seems quite secure and I can not tease the drive open when it doesn't have a mind to do it by itself, so I guess this is electrical or driver related, not a mechanical issue. Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, short of using a piece of Scotch tape? Tony From jeddylin@uclink.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 9 14:20:03 2003 From: jeddylin@uclink.berkeley.edu (Jeddy Lin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:20:03 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening References: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000501c2fe9a$be4b9bc0$0200a8c0@woshiagni> If you're running a variant of Win9x, try disabling software eject in Device Manager to see if it rules out a software problem. Other operating systems should have a similar feature to disable the soft eject. If it seems to indeed be a hardware issue, maybe you would be able to exchange the unit since it's new? Good luck. - Jeddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony R. Gold" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening > I just got a new CDRW drive for a TP600e slim drive bay, it's a Sony > CRX700E, and I find that the CD tray is popping open at random times when > the drive is idle and not in use. The latch seems quite secure and I can > not tease the drive open when it doesn't have a mind to do it by itself, > so I guess this is electrical or driver related, not a mechanical issue. > > Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, short of using a piece of > Scotch tape? > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From co273@bfn.org Wed Apr 9 14:28:27 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening In-Reply-To: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> Message-ID: Hmm...Could be a firmware issue. I think IBM has a 1.4u or 1.4y firmware for the CRX700E out there SOMEWHERE. My old Dell Latitude CPx also had the same problem, and it is also a CRX700E. After I flash it with Dell's 1.4u firmware update the situation improved...somewhat. It used to pop out randomly. Now it'll pop out when I load the CDRW. The problem went away when I sold the Latitude. Oh well, you can always "eject" the drive out while running WIndows 2000 or higher to cut power to the swapbay. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > I just got a new CDRW drive for a TP600e slim drive bay, it's a Sony > CRX700E, and I find that the CD tray is popping open at random times when > the drive is idle and not in use. The latch seems quite secure and I can > not tease the drive open when it doesn't have a mind to do it by itself, > so I guess this is electrical or driver related, not a mechanical issue. > > Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this, short of using a piece of > Scotch tape? > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From beat.h@bluewin.ch Wed Apr 9 14:30:09 2003 From: beat.h@bluewin.ch (Beat Hofmann) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:30:09 +0200 Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 Message-ID: Can I use the power supply from a 600X model on my new T23? From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <008b01c2fea2$f01d3c00$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> the electrons are smaller in the earlier model ac adapters.. they are also, usually, mis-aligned.. the reticulated copperoptus in the new models is a new design.. but, the answer is a resounding YES.. :-) ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beat Hofmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > Can I use the power supply from a 600X model on my new T23? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <009301c2fea3$152e5ec0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> AND i sell them.. or used to sell them.. now i only sell them with a new HDD.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray, Pete" To: "Simon Watson" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive > I got mine from ebay(make sure that you search by "available to the UK" > rather than just "located in the UK"), and make sure that it has the blue > pull tab on it, otherwise you'll never be able to remove it! > Heres a link to a search I did earlier:- > http://cq-search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?GetResult > &shortcut=3&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&currdisp=1&combine=y&st=2&So rtProperty=MetaE > ndSort> > &query=ibm+caddy+600&shortcut=3&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&currdisp =1&combine=y&st= > 2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort > > Also you could try these people:- > http://www.clonesuk.com/index.htm > > or these > http://www.itxchange.com/ > > you could try IBM on 01475-555-055 > > or IBM's parts web site(not working properly at the moment) > http://commerce-13.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDis play?cgrfnbr=306 > 3814 > 63814&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=826&lang=en_GB> > &cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=826&lang=en_GB > > Good Luck! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Watson [mailto:simon.watson@ed.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:43 PM > To: thinkpad@stderr.org > Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive > > > Hi > > I need a replacement mounting frame or caddy (the metal thing you bolt your > hardrive into) plus screws for a ThinkPad 600. It's a 12mm wide 4GB > Travelstar drive. I live in the UK but would be happy to purchase it from > overseas. If anyone has one for sale or knows a place where I can buy one, > please get in touch. > > Best wishes > > Simon > > From simon.watson@ed.ac.uk Wed Apr 9 15:45:45 2003 From: simon.watson@ed.ac.uk (Simon Watson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:45:45 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive References: <009301c2fea3$152e5ec0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <009401c2fea6$b4161ed0$9772d781@swatson> Many thanks. I've bought a frame via eBay; there are quite a few for sale at $14-99 each if anyone else needs one. Alternatively, contact Bob Woolf directly at rjw@mindspring.com. Best wishes Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" To: "Murray, Pete" ; "Simon Watson" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard drive > AND i sell them.. > or used to sell them.. > now i only sell them with a new HDD.. > > ******************* > Cordially, > Bill Morrow > (from NetFinity Server) > web page: http://www.thinkpads.com > bill@thinkpads.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray, Pete" > To: "Simon Watson" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 > hard drive > > > > I got mine from ebay(make sure that you search by > "available to the UK" > > rather than just "located in the UK"), and make sure that > it has the blue > > pull tab on it, otherwise you'll never be able to remove > it! > > Heres a link to a search I did earlier:- > > http://cq-search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?GetResult > > > ry=ibm+caddy+600 > > > &shortcut=3&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&currdisp=1&combine=y&st=2&So > rtProperty=MetaE > > ndSort> > > > &query=ibm+caddy+600&shortcut=3&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&currdisp > =1&combine=y&st= > > 2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort > > > > Also you could try these people:- > > http://www.clonesuk.com/index.htm > > > > > or these > > http://www.itxchange.com/ > > > > you could try IBM on 01475-555-055 > > > > or IBM's parts web site(not working properly at the > moment) > > > http://commerce-13.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDis > play?cgrfnbr=306 > > 3814 > > > splay?cgrfnbr=30 > > 63814&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=826&lang=en_GB> > > &cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=826&lang=en_GB > > > > Good Luck! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Watson [mailto:simon.watson@ed.ac.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:43 PM > > To: thinkpad@stderr.org > > Subject: [Thinkpad] WANTED- mounting frame for TP600 hard > drive > > > > > > Hi > > > > I need a replacement mounting frame or caddy (the metal > thing you bolt your > > hardrive into) plus screws for a ThinkPad 600. It's a > 12mm wide 4GB > > Travelstar drive. I live in the UK but would be happy to > purchase it from > > overseas. If anyone has one for sale or knows a place > where I can buy one, > > please get in touch. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Simon > > > > > > From beat.h@bluewin.ch Wed Apr 9 17:55:03 2003 From: beat.h@bluewin.ch (Beat Hofmann) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:55:03 +0200 Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 Message-ID: The old power supply delivers 3.36A, the new one for the T23 delivers more then 4 Amps. The computer guy in my company told me that with an old power supply I can destroy the battery? Is this possible? What happens if the computer needs more current then the power supply can deliver? From elw@stderr.org Wed Apr 9 18:06:12 2003 From: elw@stderr.org (elijah wright) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:06:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The old power supply delivers 3.36A, the new one for the T23 delivers more > then 4 Amps. The computer guy in my company told me that with an old power > supply I can destroy the battery? Is this possible? What happens if the > computer needs more current then the power supply can deliver? the machine simply won't run. "too many amps available" isn't the same kind of thing as "too much voltage". :) elijah From Peter Machule" Message-ID: the "computer guy " is mistaken . I had a different word in mind ...but let's play nice. ;-} The old power supply is more than adequate ..but if more current were required : the power supply would get very warm the laptop will stop charging it's battery and start taking power from the battery . It may shut down ...after a while. No damage will be done. We have one of the Mac lappys here at work ..very finicky with it's power supply . They send the wrong one(not enough current available ) ..and it will not charge it's battery with this one . But runs happily otherwise. ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beat Hofmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > The old power supply delivers 3.36A, the new one for the T23 delivers more > then 4 Amps. The computer guy in my company told me that with an old power > supply I can destroy the battery? Is this possible? What happens if the > computer needs more current then the power supply can deliver? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk Wed Apr 9 18:37:34 2003 From: sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk (Sanjoy Mahajan) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] largest hard drive on tp560? Message-ID: I have a 560 (not E, X, or Z) with a 6GB hard drive in it. I'd like to upgrade it to 40GB but doubt that the BIOS can handle drives >8GB. It has bios 1.11 but I can upgrade to 1.20 (the latest, released 4/9/98). The information on the IBM support site about that BIOS revision gives hardly any information (only that it adds support for Win98). IBM technical support was also unsure whether that BIOS can handle drives >8GB (I asked whether it contains the INT whatever extension but they weren't sure). The support rep was trying to remember the largest drive he'd seen in a 560 and wasn't sure. He said it might be fine with a disk overlay, but I'd like to avoid adding random software like that to my system. I run Linux 99% of the time, which will almost certainly recognize the larger drive fine, whether or not the BIOS is stupid. But the other 1% is DOS, to make a hibernation file. I use Fn-F12 to hibernate, and it works from Linux, once the hibernation file is made, but I'm worried that the BIOS won't recognize the drive, then DOS won't be able to deal with a DOS partition on it (which I can make under Linux), and so I cannot then install the PS2 utility and make the hibernation file. Perhaps users on this list can let me know their experience and I'll summarize to the list. Thanks a lot. -Sanjoy From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <012901c2febe$e47b1c70$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> joking aside, 54watt or 72watt both work FINE..! the thinkpad will draw what it needs, if there is less than it needs it will charge more slowly.. thats it.. FWIW, i use really old 701C AC adapters to run everything, with absolutely no problems.. use it.. relax.. if you STILL are worried, i'll sell you a new 72watt version, but you DO NOT NEED IT.. save your $$, but 10 shares of lucent.. :-) ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beat Hofmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > The old power supply delivers 3.36A, the new one for the T23 delivers more > then 4 Amps. The computer guy in my company told me that with an old power > supply I can destroy the battery? Is this possible? What happens if the > computer needs more current then the power supply can deliver? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 9 18:53:14 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 References: Message-ID: <000b01c2fec0$e6981e20$7700a8c0@600e400> YES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beat Hofmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > Can I use the power supply from a 600X model on my new T23? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 9 18:53:53 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 References: <008b01c2fea2$f01d3c00$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <001701c2fec0$fe1a2f20$7700a8c0@600e400> WELL SAID! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" To: "Beat Hofmann" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > the electrons are smaller in the earlier model ac adapters.. > they are also, usually, mis-aligned.. > the reticulated copperoptus in the new models is a new > design.. > but, the answer is a resounding YES.. :-) > > ******************* > Cordially, > Bill Morrow > (from NetFinity Server) > web page: http://www.thinkpads.com > bill@thinkpads.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beat Hofmann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:30 AM > Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > > > > Can I use the power supply from a 600X model on my new > T23? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 9 18:55:15 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:55:15 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 References: Message-ID: <002501c2fec1$2f1454c0$7700a8c0@600e400> I use the older supplys with the newer models all the time. So far, no fires, no blown systems. Sometimes four or five all on the same suppressor at once. Never any problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beat Hofmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Power supply 600X vs T23 > The old power supply delivers 3.36A, the new one for the T23 delivers more > then 4 Amps. The computer guy in my company told me that with an old power > supply I can destroy the battery? Is this possible? What happens if the > computer needs more current then the power supply can deliver? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From xyzzy@teamprimerib.com Wed Apr 9 18:54:24 2003 From: xyzzy@teamprimerib.com (Michael Vang) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:54:24 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T40 sale... Message-ID: <0d2301c2fec1$0f256f50$09e58818@toshiba> What was the special that IBM was offering earlier this month on the T40? Thanks! Mike From rwhittle@usa.net Wed Apr 9 19:42:01 2003 From: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:42:01 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409113837.03cee9a8@pop3.iceka.com> Hi, I checked the archives for this list and it appears that this *might* be a "keyboard error" message. It seems to me, however, that its some kind of memory error message. Wondering if someone can shed some light and/or solution? At machine turn-on, it shows the memory count and these numbers right below: 03 301 Then it automatically goes to the BIOS (or something) and shows a blue box with white borders (like you see in the BIOS) with "ERROR" and a code below: 00301 My options are to test or to restart. You can try restarting, but it doesn't work. Testing seems to freeze on the memory test. I removed the memory module, but not difference in behavior (just a lower memory count at machine turn-on). Any ideas? Machine is an original ThinkPad 600. P-II, 233Mhz (maybe 266?). - Randy From rwhittle@usa.net Wed Apr 9 19:58:11 2003 From: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:58:11 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Follow-up (Solved!): TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409115627.03e05a48@pop3.iceka.com> Hi All, Scratch the previous message. I did not find anything about the TP600 & 301 error, but did find it about the Aptiva series and it appeared it was a Keyboard Error. The Aptiva map didn't apply to the Thinkpad, but it still gave me enough info to re-think and re-look. Upon closer inspection, I could visibly tell the "F5" key was stuck down. I unstuck it, and it booted up fine. Thanks anyway! - Randy From lists@ahjg.co.uk Wed Apr 9 20:22:21 2003 From: lists@ahjg.co.uk (Anthony R. Gold) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening In-Reply-To: <000501c2fe9a$be4b9bc0$0200a8c0@woshiagni> References: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> <000501c2fe9a$be4b9bc0$0200a8c0@woshiagni> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:20:03 -0700, you wrote: > If you're running a variant of Win9x, try disabling software eject in Device > Manager to see if it rules out a software problem. Other operating systems > should have a similar feature to disable the soft eject. Thanks for the suggestion but I don't find software eject as an option in Device Manager. I see "Disconnect", "Sync data transfer", "Auto insert notification" and "DMA". My drive's firmware is at 1.4h. Tony From Donald MacQueen Wed Apr 9 21:26:29 2003 From: Donald MacQueen (Donald MacQueen) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409113837.03cee9a8@pop3.iceka.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409113837.03cee9a8@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: <13976819758.20030409162629@erols.com> Randal, i believe 301 is -always- a keyboard error, and has been for a long time. kind of a standard error, donchaknow? ;-) Wednesday, April 9, 2003, 2:42:01 PM, you wrote: > Hi, > I checked the archives for this list and it appears that this *might* be a > "keyboard error" message. It seems to me, however, that its some kind of > memory error message. > Wondering if someone can shed some light and/or solution? > At machine turn-on, it shows the memory count and these numbers right below: > 03 301 > Then it automatically goes to the BIOS (or something) and shows a blue box > with white borders (like you see in the BIOS) with "ERROR" and a code below: > 00301 > My options are to test or to restart. You can try restarting, but it > doesn't work. Testing seems to freeze on the memory test. I removed the > memory module, but not difference in behavior (just a lower memory count at > machine turn-on). > Any ideas? Machine is an original ThinkPad 600. P-II, 233Mhz (maybe 266?). > - Randy > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen [|] "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From co273@bfn.org Wed Apr 9 20:34:26 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error In-Reply-To: <13976819758.20030409162629@erols.com> Message-ID: Indeed. The 301 is a keyboard error since the very first PC (IBM Model 5150) was created. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Donald MacQueen wrote: > Randal, > > i believe 301 is -always- a keyboard error, and has been for a long > time. kind of a standard error, donchaknow? ;-) > > Wednesday, April 9, 2003, 2:42:01 PM, you wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I checked the archives for this list and it appears that this *might* be a > > "keyboard error" message. It seems to me, however, that its some kind of > > memory error message. > > > Wondering if someone can shed some light and/or solution? > > > At machine turn-on, it shows the memory count and these numbers right below: > > > 03 301 > > > Then it automatically goes to the BIOS (or something) and shows a blue box > > with white borders (like you see in the BIOS) with "ERROR" and a code below: > > > 00301 > > > My options are to test or to restart. You can try restarting, but it > > doesn't work. Testing seems to freeze on the memory test. I removed the > > memory module, but not difference in behavior (just a lower memory count at > > machine turn-on). > > > Any ideas? Machine is an original ThinkPad 600. P-II, 233Mhz (maybe 266?). > > > - Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen [|] > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." > - Edmund Burke > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From lists@ahjg.co.uk Wed Apr 9 20:30:17 2003 From: lists@ahjg.co.uk (Anthony R. Gold) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:30:17 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening In-Reply-To: References: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > Hmm...Could be a firmware issue. I think IBM has a 1.4u or 1.4y firmware > for the CRX700E out there SOMEWHERE. Does anyone know where? Searching IBM for "CRX700E" drew a total blank. Tony From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 9 20:41:52 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409113837.03cee9a8@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: <001201c2fed0$13e4a740$7700a8c0@600e400> 301 is a keyboard error. Check for a stuck key. The trackpoint error is 8611 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600: 03 301 / 00301 Error > Hi, > > I checked the archives for this list and it appears that this *might* be a > "keyboard error" message. It seems to me, however, that its some kind of > memory error message. > > Wondering if someone can shed some light and/or solution? > > At machine turn-on, it shows the memory count and these numbers right below: > > 03 301 > > Then it automatically goes to the BIOS (or something) and shows a blue box > with white borders (like you see in the BIOS) with "ERROR" and a code below: > > 00301 > > My options are to test or to restart. You can try restarting, but it > doesn't work. Testing seems to freeze on the memory test. I removed the > memory module, but not difference in behavior (just a lower memory count at > machine turn-on). > > Any ideas? Machine is an original ThinkPad 600. P-II, 233Mhz (maybe 266?). > > - Randy > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From co273@bfn.org Wed Apr 9 21:02:41 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the 1.4v (not y) firmware: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/fwrw1201.exe And the 1.4u firmware: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/fwrw1101.exe Remember, YMMV. I do not take any responsibility for a bad firmware update which will turn it into a useless piece of junk. You do the firmware update at your own risk. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > > Hmm...Could be a firmware issue. I think IBM has a 1.4u or 1.4y firmware > > for the CRX700E out there SOMEWHERE. > > Does anyone know where? Searching IBM for "CRX700E" drew a total blank. > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From lists@ahjg.co.uk Wed Apr 9 22:16:31 2003 From: lists@ahjg.co.uk (Anthony R. Gold) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > For the 1.4v (not y) firmware: > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/fwrw1201.exe > > And the 1.4u firmware: > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/fwrw1101.exe Many thanks. Tony From jeddylin@uclink.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 9 22:49:45 2003 From: jeddylin@uclink.berkeley.edu (Jeddy Lin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:49:45 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening References: <15689vk5cc956g73g72htrjfca5iontifp@4ax.com> <000501c2fe9a$be4b9bc0$0200a8c0@woshiagni> Message-ID: <003701c2fee1$f4c05fa0$0200a8c0@woshiagni> Oops. Apologies... may have been thinking about another OS. May want to try Kev's suggestion instead of "Disabling/Removing" (per se) the device in the Ultraslimbay to eliminate a software cause for the problem. Even if you're not running Windows 2000, you should be able to disable the hardware in Device Manager (this I'm sure you can do!). Regards, Jeddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony R. Gold" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] TP600e CRDW drive keeps opening > On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:20:03 -0700, you wrote: > > > If you're running a variant of Win9x, try disabling software eject in Device > > Manager to see if it rules out a software problem. Other operating systems > > should have a similar feature to disable the soft eject. > > Thanks for the suggestion but I don't find software eject as an option in > Device Manager. I see "Disconnect", "Sync data transfer", "Auto insert > notification" and "DMA". My drive's firmware is at 1.4h. > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From Paul Khoury" I just picked up a Multiburner for my ThinkPad, and wanted to see if anyone else has any of these. I'd like to see which discs are supported in consumer DVD players, and what programs are sufficient for converting MPEG, and AVI to DVD MPEG format. Paul From ajwells@ix.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 23:18:10 2003 From: ajwells@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Wells) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] T40 just came Message-ID: <004f01c2fee5$e81d37b0$a3b5fea9@ibmhlmj9lao106> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C2FEAB.3BBE5FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't had a chance to fire it up yet, but just looking at the hardware I would have to say that IBM finally has a real successor to the 600x. this machine is so well designed and so well built that it makes me forget all of my gripes about the prior T series and I cant wait to get my data off my T23 and start working on this machine all the time. quite frankly even if there were no performance, battery life or heat improvements, I would want this machine just for the improved keyboard and build quality The keyboard is finally right on. no mushy or dead spots. no flexing or bouncing as with the T2x series. very responsive. the design is very simple, elegant and well proportioned. the fit and finish are very good. no creaking or warping as you open the display. everything has that solid feel that we have come to expect from IBM but was really missing in recent years. assuming the performance is decent, this is a lovely business user machine. all of the old 600x grumpies (JHEM etc) can finally retire their machines Welcome back IBM. very well done! ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C2FEAB.3BBE5FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haven’t had a chance to fire it up yet, but = just looking at the hardware I would have to say that IBM finally has a real successor to the 600x… this machine is so well designed and so = well built that it makes me forget all of my gripes about the prior T series and I = cant wait to get my data off my T23 and start working on this machine all the = time… quite frankly even if there were no performance, battery life or heat improvements, I would want this machine just for the improved keyboard = and build quality

 

The keyboard is finally right on… no mushy or = dead spots… no flexing or bouncing as with the T2x series… very responsive… the design is very simple, elegant and well = proportioned… the fit and finish are very good… no creaking or warping as you = open the display… everything has that solid feel that we have come to = expect from IBM but was really missing in recent years… assuming the = performance is decent, this is a lovely business user machine… all of the old = 600x grumpies (JHEM etc) can finally retire their = machines

 

Welcome back IBM… very well done! =

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C2FEAB.3BBE5FB0-- From jberry@islandnet.com Thu Apr 10 00:33:46 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:33:46 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] ThinkPad Multiburner References: <200304092203.h39M36kt014963@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: www.dvdhelp.com has extensive user feedback about DVD?R(W) brand success in various players. Also a lot of info about software. There are several variables: -- writing speed -- writer -- writer firmware level -- burning software -- burning software release level -- authoring software -- disk brand (but this can change by the batch, especially with less expensive disks) -- player -- player firmware level Many players can rewrite their own firmware from a CD-R. All this assumes that the authoring job has been done correctly. With DVD-R and DVR+R media, they are read by about 60% of the table-top players. The DVD-RW and DVD+RW are less likely to be read, but if they fail, you don't have a coaster. DVD-RAM is another animal altogether. I've just ordered a DVD-R DVD-RAM burner in a firewire box. I figure if the home-movies-on-DVD doesn't give me giggles, at least I can use the (9.4 GB) DVD-RAM for heavy-duty backup. Some of the contenders in the software arena are: Adobe Premiere Vegas Video 4 Ulead something something 7 Pinnacle Studio 8 Enjoy! In article <200304092203.h39M36kt014963@illuminati.stderr.org>, "Paul Khoury" wrote: >I just picked up a Multiburner for my ThinkPad, and wanted to see if >anyone else >has any of these. I'd like to see which discs are supported in >consumer DVD players, >and what programs are sufficient for converting MPEG, and AVI to DVD >MPEG format. > >Paul > -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <019301c2feea$878248a0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> ibm had a 15%..!!!! off sale on most everything in march.. this cost me a lot since i had to match it with hard to get and expensive T40's..! sale is off now that they shipped some T40's and X31's.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vang" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] T40 sale... > What was the special that IBM was offering earlier this month on the T40? > > Thanks! > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 10 00:17:58 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Serial numbers/hardware maintenance disk References: <200304092203.h39M36kt014963@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <004b01c2feee$42d19c20$7700a8c0@3ComC> I have an A21M The serial numbr on the case (it is still under warranty until June) does not match the system serial number in the BIOS I have the Hardware Maint Disk. It READS the S/N data for the system board and thge system BUT It gives an EEPROM write error when I try to change the system serial number This machine had the system board replaced by an IBM Service Center, and they failed to enter the correctr serial number, which is what is on the case. What am I doing wrong to unlock the EEEPROM? I have used this disk (version 1.60) on T series with no problem. Would just like the BIOS to reflect the proper serial number, since it is still under warranty Thanks! From louw@prefer.net Thu Apr 10 00:08:02 2003 From: louw@prefer.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] FS: 32 MB hard drive for T22 bay Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409160613.029cfed0@pop.pophost.com> This is complete with a carrying case. I know it fits in the T22 bay, and probably other T models as well. $80+ $10 shipping OBO. Please respond off the list. Warm Regards, Lou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 10 00:27:50 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Where to find Hardware Maint Disk V. 1.62 References: <200304092203.h39M36kt014963@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <005401c2feef$a3c48780$7700a8c0@3ComC> Anyone got a copy or someplace to DL it? Thanks From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 10 00:35:16 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:35:16 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Serial numbers/hardware maintenance disk References: <200304092203.h39M36kt014963@illuminati.stderr.org> <004b01c2feee$42d19c20$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <006201c2fef0$ad1c14a0$7700a8c0@3ComC> Answered my own question (sort of) I need HMD V 1.62 (I have 1.60) Anyone??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Paul Khoury" ; "ThinkPad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Serial numbers/hardware maintenance disk > I have an A21M > The serial numbr on the case (it is still under warranty until June) does > not match the system serial number in the BIOS > I have the Hardware Maint Disk. It READS the S/N data for the system board > and thge system > BUT > It gives an EEPROM write error when I try to change the system serial number > This machine had the system board replaced by an IBM Service Center, and > they failed to enter the correctr serial number, which is what is on the > case. > What am I doing wrong to unlock the EEEPROM? > I have used this disk (version 1.60) on T series with no problem. > Would just like the BIOS to reflect the proper serial number, since it is > still under warranty > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Paul Khoury" On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:27:50 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Anyone got a copy or someplace to DL it? >Thanks I have a copy - let me see if it's on my server. Paul From Paul Khoury" On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:27:50 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Anyone got a copy or someplace to DL it? >Thanks >_______________________________________________ Try this. http://greece.pkhoury.com/downloads/maint160.exe Paul From tkim@lynx.neu.edu Thu Apr 10 03:25:51 2003 From: tkim@lynx.neu.edu (Tae Hyong Kim) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? In-Reply-To: <20030409232802.16939.73435.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> References: <20030409232802.16939.73435.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: --============_-1162180937==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69 http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=ST&plin=Expansion&pfam=Modular%20Bay&poid=205374&Adoid=140299 I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X. I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased from eaby ... - Tae -- "Inter caecos regnat luscus." --============_-1162180937==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Would this fit in my 600x?

Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=ST&plin=Expansion&pfam=Modular%20Bay&poid=205374&Adoid=140299

I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X.

I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased from eaby ...

- Tae
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"Inter caecos regnat luscus."
--============_-1162180937==_ma============-- From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 10 03:44:23 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:44:23 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? References: <20030409232802.16939.73435.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <00f801c2ff0b$189471e0$7700a8c0@3ComC> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C2FEE9.911E1CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this fit in my 600x?Yes, I believe so. Keep in mind, it is only 4X = cd-r There are lots of 8X4X24X8X DVD drives around that will work. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tae Hyong Kim=20 To: thinkpad@stderr.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69 = http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=3D= cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=3DST&plin=3DExpansion&pfam=3DModul= ar%20Bay&poid=3D205374&Adoid=3D140299 I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap = DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X. I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding = plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased = from eaby ... - Tae --=20 "Inter caecos regnat luscus." ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C2FEE9.911E1CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this fit in my 600x?
Yes, I believe so. Keep in = mind, it is only=20 4X cd-r
There are lots of 8X4X24X8X DVD = drives=20 around that will work.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tae = Hyong Kim=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this = fit in my=20 600x?


Toshiba = PA3104U-2CD2=20 DVD/CDRW - $69

http:/= /www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=3Dcccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=3DST&plin=3DExpansi= on&pfam=3DModular%20Bay&poid=3D205374&Adoid=3D14= 0299

I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap = DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X.

I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding = plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased = from=20 eaby ...

- Tae
--=20

"Inter caecos regnat = luscus."
------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C2FEE9.911E1CA0-- From Peter Machule" <00f801c2ff0b$189471e0$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B5_01C2FEDE.AB6E1BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this fit in my 600x?But not for that price . It's a rather good deal ........especialy in view of the fact it's from = a real company , and you can buy it with your visa card ... ;-} ie vs finding an oem thing on ebay ...and paypal etc..etc.. ..peter.. But if someone knows of a better deal ...please jump in=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bruce Markowitz=20 To: thinkpad@stderr.org ; Tae Hyong Kim=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? Yes, I believe so. Keep in mind, it is only 4X cd-r There are lots of 8X4X24X8X DVD drives around that will work. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tae Hyong Kim=20 To: thinkpad@stderr.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69 = http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=3D= cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=3DST&plin=3DExpansion&pfam=3DModul= ar%20Bay&poid=3D205374&Adoid=3D140299 I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap = DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X. I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding = plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased = from eaby ... - Tae --=20 "Inter caecos regnat luscus." ------=_NextPart_000_01B5_01C2FEDE.AB6E1BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this fit in my 600x?
But not for that price .
It's a rather good deal = ........especialy in view=20 of the fact it's from a real company , and you can buy it with your = visa=20 card ...
;-}
ie vs  finding an oem thing on = ebay ...and=20 paypal etc..etc..
 
..peter..
 
But if someone knows of a better deal = ...please=20 jump in
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bruce=20 Markowitz
To: thinkpad@stderr.org ; Tae Hyong = Kim=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 = 7:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Would = this fit in=20 my 600x?

Yes, I believe so. Keep in = mind, it is=20 only 4X cd-r
There are lots of 8X4X24X8X = DVD drives=20 around that will work.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tae = Hyong Kim=20
To: thinkpad@stderr.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, = 2003 10:25=20 PM
Subject: [Thinkpad] Would = this fit in=20 my 600x?


Toshiba = PA3104U-2CD2=20 DVD/CDRW - $69

http:/= /www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=3Dcccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=3DST&plin=3DExpansi= on&pfam=3DModular%20Bay&poid=3D205374&Adoid=3D14= 0299

I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a = cheap=20 DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X.

I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the = surrounding=20 plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM = purchased from=20 eaby ...

- Tae
--=20

"Inter caecos regnat=20 luscus."
------=_NextPart_000_01B5_01C2FEDE.AB6E1BB0-- From dberman@4dv.net Thu Apr 10 05:38:05 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:38:05 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program References: <200304100228.h3A2SOku021126@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <011c01c2ff1a$fab69ee0$0200000a@f5yxd> If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, OfficeMax is selling Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of 100%. Price $199.99-$35 discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate $165. Free 1-day shipping of online orders. Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request submitted by May 10. http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 Deanna dberman@4dv.net From dberman@4dv.net Thu Apr 10 05:41:48 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:41:48 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program References: <200304100228.h3A2SOku021126@illuminati.stderr.org> <011c01c2ff1a$fab69ee0$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: <012001c2ff1b$7f90ef80$0200000a@f5yxd> I shoulda mentioned that the rebate doesn't have to be mailed; it can be submitted on the OM website. Deanna dberman@4dv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deanna Berman" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 22:38 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, OfficeMax is selling > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate $165. Free 1-day shipping > of online orders. > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request submitted by May 10. > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > Deanna > dberman@4dv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Peter Machule" <011c01c2ff1a$fab69ee0$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: http://www.officemax.com/dm/ny30103 will take $30 of the price . and here is the SKU for the part : 20201675 Note that most boxes come with a UPC sticker on top of the box UPC. This will let you also send in for the $30 upgrade REbate that comes in the box . The upgrade is for their own product and competitors ?? If you don't have this double UPC, peachtree has taken photocopies before on the upgrade rebate . ;-} this way you actually make money on this deal . Free is nice ..being paid is soooo much better . ( grin ) ..peter... Note that the $165 rebate is somewhat involved ..you have to register and get a customer ID first . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deanna Berman" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, OfficeMax is selling > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate $165. Free 1-day shipping > of online orders. > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request submitted by May 10. > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > Deanna > dberman@4dv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From louw@prefer.net Thu Apr 10 10:59:40 2003 From: louw@prefer.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:59:40 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] FS: 32 MB hard drive for T22 bay- Change to 32 GB! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409160613.029cfed0@pop.pophost.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030410025814.051d0e50@pop.pophost.com> Sorry folks, but it is a 32 GB drive, which I am sure most of you realized. I don't think even Win 3.1 would fit on a 32 MB drive. Warm Regards, Lou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 04:08 PM 4/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >This is complete with a carrying case. > >I know it fits in the T22 bay, and probably other T models as well. > >$80+ $10 shipping OBO. > >Please respond off the list. > >Warm Regards, >Lou >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From ken.kinghorn@pobox.com Thu Apr 10 21:07:17 2003 From: ken.kinghorn@pobox.com (Ken Kinghorn) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600E Original Mediamatics DVD software Message-ID: <20030410200717.32159.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> I had Mediamatics DVDExpress working perfectly, but I just had to re-install Windows 2000 on my 600E. Now I can't install the Mediamatics DVDExpress 'upgrade' from IBM's support site without first installing the original Windows 98 version of DVDExpress. (I bought this latop used and it never had the original CDs.) Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the OEM DVDExpress for he 600E? Would someone be willing to zip it and send it to me (let me know how big it is)? Your help is greatly appreciated! Ken Kinghorn ken.kinghorn@pobox.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jberry@islandnet.com Thu Apr 10 22:58:07 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:58:07 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Who else sells RAM? References: <200303112347.h2BNlvR26375@nalle.netsonic.fi> <007a01c2e980$ebeda160$76409e40@e1q0i9> <20030314150905.GB734@shampoo.ca> Message-ID: In article <20030314150905.GB734@shampoo.ca>, "Justin F. Knotzke" wrote: > > Thanks to all who suggested places to get RAM. I am in Canada and was >hoping for some Canadian sellers since customs normally kills us when >buying from the States. > My experience is that if the item is sent by mail (USPS), it sometimes goes through with no charges at all. The worst case scenario is when they catch it and you have to play GST, PST, Customs Duty (which is often zero and rarely more than 10% these days) and a $5 handling fee. If it is sent by UPS you will have to pay all of the above, but instead of the handling fee, they charge a "brokerage fee" which is typically ridiculous. Could be $20 to $30 on a small item. Don't use UPS for transborder shipments. That eliminates about half of the US merchants who will ship abroad. If you buy in Canada you always pay the GST and often pay PST. So, on balance, buying from USA via mail is not a bad deal. And a small packet such as a couple of sticks of RAM often goes through even though its value would normally trigger (I think it's about $us20 or more) the collection process. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From jberry@islandnet.com Thu Apr 10 23:14:29 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:14:29 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: In article <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com>, "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: >There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with >varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". There was a slightly similar problem with the 701C under a particular BIOS. Problems are never gotten rid of, they just sit at the bottom of the lake waiting for the rock you've attached to dissolve. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From ken.kinghorn@pobox.com Fri Apr 11 02:17:17 2003 From: ken.kinghorn@pobox.com (Ken Kinghorn) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600E Original Mediamatics DVD software Message-ID: <20030411011717.88300.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> I had Mediamatics DVDExpress working perfectly, but I just had to re-install Windows 2000 on my 600E. Now I can't install the Mediamatics DVDExpress 'upgrade' from IBM's support site without first installing the original Windows 98 version of DVDExpress. (I bought this latop used and it never had the original CDs.) Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the OEM DVDExpress for he 600E? Would someone be willing to zip it and send it to me (let me know how big it is)? Your help is greatly appreciated! Ken Kinghorn ken.kinghorn@pobox.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From stevec50@yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 06:10:37 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program In-Reply-To: <011c01c2ff1a$fab69ee0$0200000a@f5yxd> Message-ID: <20030411051037.76175.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> That's too good to be true so it probably isn't. It would be great if OfficeMax actually paid any of the mail-in rebates but they don't! When you don't get the rebate and go back to complain they will say you got the $35 instant rebate and that's all you were entitled to. There's a better chance of getting that $2 billion from the wife of the dead Nigerian government official that everyone keeps getting email about than there is of getting any rebates from OfficeMax. --- Deanna Berman wrote: > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, > OfficeMax is selling > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of > 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate > $165. Free 1-day shipping > of online orders. > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request > submitted by May 10. > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > Deanna > dberman@4dv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From bbender@vocollect.com Fri Apr 11 15:30:27 2003 From: bbender@vocollect.com (Brian Bender) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:30:27 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: <20030411130012.22969.44606.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <23F0FECA-6C2A-11D7-A294-000A959D8380@vocollect.com> A question for the O.P.: Is it _always_ constant? I noticed the same thing with my T21 (running Linux), but it's only when the screen isn't running at full brightness (either manually lowered w/ fn-End or when running on battery power). At full brightness on AC power, the sound isn't there. I assume it's something related to the "dimmer" circuit for the backlight... - Brian > Message: 3 > From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) > To: thinkpad@stderr.org > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:14:29 -0800 > Organization: www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ > > In article <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com>, > "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > >> There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with >> varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". > > There was a slightly similar problem with the 701C under a > particular BIOS. From Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com Fri Apr 11 18:00:02 2003 From: Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com (Andrew G. Malis) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: <23F0FECA-6C2A-11D7-A294-000A959D8380@vocollect.com> References: <20030411130012.22969.44606.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030411125539.01c66758@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Brian, I'm pretty sure it's got to do with the sound driver. I'm going to reload XP from scratch when I get a chance. Cheers, Andy ------- At 4/11/2003 10:30 AM -0400, Brian Bender wrote: >A question for the O.P.: > >Is it _always_ constant? I noticed the same thing with my T21 (running >Linux), but it's only when the screen isn't running at full brightness >(either manually lowered w/ fn-End or when running on battery power). At >full brightness on AC power, the sound isn't there. I assume it's >something related to the "dimmer" circuit for the backlight... > > - Brian > >>Message: 3 >>From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) >>To: thinkpad@stderr.org >>Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers >>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:14:29 -0800 >>Organization: www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ >> >>In article <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com>, >>"Andrew G. Malis" wrote: >> >>>There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with >>>varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". >> >>There was a slightly similar problem with the 701C under a >>particular BIOS. > From bbender@vocollect.com Fri Apr 11 18:06:39 2003 From: bbender@vocollect.com (Brian Bender) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:06:39 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030411125539.01c66758@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: So, just out of curiosity, do you get the _other_ sound when you lower the screen's brightness? Or do I have a "unique" T21?... - Brian On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Brian, > > I'm pretty sure it's got to do with the sound driver. I'm going to > reload XP from scratch when I get a chance. > > Cheers, > Andy > > ------- > > At 4/11/2003 10:30 AM -0400, Brian Bender wrote: > >> A question for the O.P.: >> >> Is it _always_ constant? I noticed the same thing with my T21 >> (running Linux), but it's only when the screen isn't running at full >> brightness (either manually lowered w/ fn-End or when running on >> battery power). At full brightness on AC power, the sound isn't >> there. I assume it's something related to the "dimmer" circuit for >> the backlight... >> >> - Brian >> >>> Message: 3 >>> From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) >>> To: thinkpad@stderr.org >>> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from >>> speakers >>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:14:29 -0800 >>> Organization: www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ >>> >>> In article >>> <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com>, >>> "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: >>> >>>> There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle >>>> with >>>> varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". >>> >>> There was a slightly similar problem with the 701C under a >>> particular BIOS. >> From Peter Machule" Message-ID: Sigh ... I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. before typing. Steve; your one of those people.. You add nothing to this list . Please go away . ..on a side note .. The Rebate is from Peachtree, not Officemax. Yes, I will get my $165 in 3 months . I will also get my $30 "upgrade " rebate ". And my $30 off coupon worked . End result ....I will be paid $49 ( tax ate $11 ) ;-} Peter.. who actually has a clue . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > That's too good to be true so it probably isn't. It > would be great if OfficeMax actually paid any of the > mail-in rebates but they don't! When you don't get the > rebate and go back to complain they will say you got > the $35 instant rebate and that's all you were > entitled to. There's a better chance of getting that > $2 billion from the wife of the dead Nigerian > government official that everyone keeps getting email > about than there is of getting any rebates from > OfficeMax. > --- Deanna Berman wrote: > > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, > > OfficeMax is selling > > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of > > 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate > > $165. Free 1-day shipping > > of online orders. > > > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request > > submitted by May u10. > > > > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > > > Deanna > > dberman@4dv.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com Fri Apr 11 18:49:46 2003 From: Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com (Andrew G. Malis) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:49:46 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030411125539.01c66758@po1.vivacenetworks.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030411134823.01ca5778@mail.attbi.com> Brian, Unfortunately, it's constant irregardless of the screen brightness. Cheers, Andy ------- At 4/11/2003 01:06 PM -0400, Brian Bender wrote: >So, just out of curiosity, do you get the _other_ sound when you lower the >screen's brightness? Or do I have a "unique" T21?... > > - Brian > >On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:00 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >>Brian, >> >>I'm pretty sure it's got to do with the sound driver. I'm going to >>reload XP from scratch when I get a chance. >> >>Cheers, >>Andy >> >>------- >> >>At 4/11/2003 10:30 AM -0400, Brian Bender wrote: >> >>>A question for the O.P.: >>> >>>Is it _always_ constant? I noticed the same thing with my T21 (running >>>Linux), but it's only when the screen isn't running at full brightness >>>(either manually lowered w/ fn-End or when running on battery power). At >>>full brightness on AC power, the sound isn't there. I assume it's >>>something related to the "dimmer" circuit for the backlight... >>> >>> - Brian >>> >>>>Message: 3 >>>>From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) >>>>To: thinkpad@stderr.org >>>>Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T21 WinXP weird background sounds from speakers >>>>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:14:29 -0800 >>>>Organization: www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ >>>> >>>>In article <5.2.0.9.0.20030331155618.042d9b18@po1.vivacenetworks.com>, >>>>"Andrew G. Malis" wrote: >>>> >>>>>There's a constant low-level intermittent (about a 75% duty cycle with >>>>>varying but average cycles of 1/2 sec to about 4 seconds) "whine". >>>> >>>>There was a slightly similar problem with the 701C under a >>>>particular BIOS. > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From machule@triumf.ca Fri Apr 11 18:53:02 2003 From: machule@triumf.ca (peter machule) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program References: <20030411051037.76175.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033801c30053$32405bb0$03785a8e@sfupc> Sorry, that was too harsh .. My apologies . peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Machule" To: "Steve C." ; Cc: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > Sigh ... > I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. before typing. > > Steve; your one of those people.. > You add nothing to this list . > Please go away . From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 11 19:20:49 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program References: <20030411051037.76175.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c30057$1d73f800$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Well, he may have a point I never got the $50 rebate for the Cendyne 4X Pioneer DVD-R I bought the day after Thanksgiving ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Machule" To: "Steve C." ; Cc: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > Sigh ... > I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. before typing. > > Steve; your one of those people.. > You add nothing to this list . > Please go away . > > ..on a side note .. > The Rebate is from Peachtree, > not Officemax. > > Yes, I will get my $165 in 3 months . > I will also get my $30 "upgrade " rebate ". > And my $30 off coupon worked . > End result ....I will be paid $49 ( tax ate $11 ) > ;-} > Peter.. > who actually has a clue . > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve C." > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > > > > That's too good to be true so it probably isn't. It > > would be great if OfficeMax actually paid any of the > > mail-in rebates but they don't! When you don't get the > > rebate and go back to complain they will say you got > > the $35 instant rebate and that's all you were > > entitled to. There's a better chance of getting that > > $2 billion from the wife of the dead Nigerian > > government official that everyone keeps getting email > > about than there is of getting any rebates from > > OfficeMax. > > --- Deanna Berman wrote: > > > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, > > > OfficeMax is selling > > > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate of > > > 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > > > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in rebate > > > $165. Free 1-day shipping > > > of online orders. > > > > > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate request > > > submitted by May u10. > > > > > > > > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > > > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > > > > > Deanna > > > dberman@4dv.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Thinkpad mailing list > > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From kochkodin@earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 19:37:46 2003 From: kochkodin@earthlink.net (K.) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Office Max problems References: <20030411051037.76175.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> <002701c30057$1d73f800$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <3E970B7A.32604539@earthlink.net> Just a suggestion..besides avoiding OM like the plague.. File a complaint with your state Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission and the BBB (admittdly the BBB is basically useless but it will be on record..)...Also, forward a copy of the complaint letter to the corporate HQ of Office Max...The feds will be especially interested since OM is an interstare seller and this can have bad implications for them Regards, Mike K Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Well, he may have a point > I never got the $50 rebate for the Cendyne 4X Pioneer DVD-R I bought the day > after Thanksgiving > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Machule" > To: "Steve C." ; > Cc: > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > > > Sigh ... > > I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. before typing. > > > > Steve; your one of those people.. > > You add nothing to this list . > > Please go away . > > > > ..on a side note .. > > The Rebate is from Peachtree, > > not Officemax. > > > > Yes, I will get my $165 in 3 months . > > I will also get my $30 "upgrade " rebate ". > > And my $30 off coupon worked . > > End result ....I will be paid $49 ( tax ate $11 ) > > ;-} > > Peter.. > > who actually has a clue . From machule@triumf.ca Fri Apr 11 20:01:42 2003 From: machule@triumf.ca (peter machule) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:01:42 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Office Max problems References: <20030411051037.76175.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> <002701c30057$1d73f800$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> <3E970B7A.32604539@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03c001c3005c$ca68e890$03785a8e@sfupc> We have rehashed this already ..but . It depends if its a OfficeMax or a Cendyne rebate . Cendyne is know to be "evil" in this regard . If you can show that you tried to get the rebate, then it becomes Office Max's problem as they were /are the advertiser of the rebate . You need photocopies !!! read this ..then read this again ;-} http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=54&threadid=58957 http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=54&threadid=163756 I've gotten all my ~ 30 rebates from Office max . ----- Original Message ----- From: "K." To: "Bruce Markowitz" ; Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Office Max problems > Just a suggestion..besides avoiding OM like the plague.. > File a complaint with your state Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission > and the BBB (admittdly the BBB is basically useless but it will be on > record..)...Also, forward a copy of the complaint letter to the corporate HQ of > Office Max...The feds will be especially interested since OM is an interstare > seller and this can have bad implications for them > Regards, > Mike K > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > Well, he may have a point > > I never got the $50 rebate for the Cendyne 4X Pioneer DVD-R I bought the day > > after Thanksgiving > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Machule" > > To: "Steve C." ; > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > > > > > Sigh ... > > > I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. before typing. > > > > > > Steve; your one of those people.. > > > You add nothing to this list . > > > Please go away . > > > > > > ..on a side note .. > > > The Rebate is from Peachtree, > > > not Officemax. > > > > > > Yes, I will get my $165 in 3 months . > > > I will also get my $30 "upgrade " rebate ". > > > And my $30 off coupon worked . > > > End result ....I will be paid $49 ( tax ate $11 ) > > > ;-} > > > Peter.. > > > who actually has a clue . > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > From stevec50@yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 06:38:16 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030412053816.13152.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> You sound like a shill for OM, do you work there or own stock in it or what? --- Peter Machule wrote: > Sigh ... > I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. > before typing. > > Steve; your one of those people.. > You add nothing to this list . > Please go away . > > ..on a side note .. > The Rebate is from Peachtree, > not Officemax. > > Yes, I will get my $165 in 3 months . > I will also get my $30 "upgrade " rebate ". > And my $30 off coupon worked . > End result ....I will be paid $49 ( tax ate $11 ) > ;-} > Peter.. > who actually has a clue . > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve C." > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program > > > > That's too good to be true so it probably isn't. > It > > would be great if OfficeMax actually paid any of > the > > mail-in rebates but they don't! When you don't get > the > > rebate and go back to complain they will say you > got > > the $35 instant rebate and that's all you were > > entitled to. There's a better chance of getting > that > > $2 billion from the wife of the dead Nigerian > > government official that everyone keeps getting > email > > about than there is of getting any rebates from > > OfficeMax. > > --- Deanna Berman wrote: > > > If anyone wants or needs an accounting program, > > > OfficeMax is selling > > > Peachtree Accounting 2003 with discount+rebate > of > > > 100%. Price $199.99-$35 > > > discount/instant rebate= $164.99 - mail-in > rebate > > > $165. Free 1-day shipping > > > of online orders. > > > > > > Must be purchased by April 19, 2003, rebate > request > > > submitted by May u10. > > > > > > > > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= > > > > yes&expansionOID=-536879873&prodBlockOID=536993168 > > > > > > Deanna > > > dberman@4dv.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Thinkpad mailing list > > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jberry@islandnet.com Sat Apr 12 15:52:24 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 06:52:24 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program References: <20030412053816.13152.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peter has more than once explained that he collects rebates as a kind of hobby. He collects hundreds of them. And he has kindly detailed (and there are details) what you must do to collect those rebates, whether the store is OfficeMax or Staples or Future Shop or London Drugs or .... I welcome the postings of Steve C., even though he has a minority position on several matters (for example, he says that Win2K is the worst OS that Microsoft has ever produced, and that you should never update or apply service packs to your Microsoft OS). Steve C's postings encourage the rest of us to chime in with what we know (or think we know), rather than waiting breathlessly for the pronouncements of Gurus. Steve C is thus a factor in the democratization and liveliness of this list. I do not own stock in, nor am I an employee of, Steve C., Peter Machule, OfficeMax, Staples, London Drugs, Future Shop .... Grin. In article <20030412053816.13152.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com>, "Steve C." wrote: >You sound like a shill for OM, do you work there or >own stock in it or what? >--- Peter Machule wrote: >> Sigh ... >> I wish people without a Clue ...would pause .. >> before typing. >> [snip !] -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From jloyless@netbox.com Sat Apr 12 15:53:58 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:53:58 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Mini-FAQ (includes how to un-subscribe) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030412105358.0131b0c8@pop.mindspring.com> If someone wants to help me rewrite the second part of #3, I'd appreciate it. ************************************************************** 1) How do I un-subscribe? 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From tkim@lynx.neu.edu Sat Apr 12 16:51:56 2003 From: tkim@lynx.neu.edu (Tae Hyong Kim) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program In-Reply-To: <20030412125608.11169.40344.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> References: <20030412125608.11169.40344.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: >From: "Steve C." >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Free Accounting Program >To: Peter Machule >Cc: thinkpad@stderr.org > >You sound like a shill for OM, do you work there or >own stock in it or what? He doesn't sound like a shill - just someone who has had more positive experiences with OM rebates. I've played the rebate game long enough to make sure I photocopy everything before I send in the rebate, and with >=$100 rebates, I mail the rebate certified. I've not been able to collect only two rebates in four years - one because the company went out of business, and the other because I was too lazy to send in the photocopy of my rebate for $5. Some companies have a better track record in fulfilling reabtes - Staples, most manufacturers, while others, like CompUSA, are tougher to collect on. The real value, IMO, of these high dollar/free-after-rebate items is that you can use it to pad a purchase in order to use a $X off $Y coupon, and get what you *really* want for even less. - Tae -- "Inter caecos regnat luscus." From andres@msu.edu Sat Apr 12 20:25:21 2003 From: andres@msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Blazing new speeds... Message-ID: <200304121525.21441.andres@msu.edu> Go to the IBM web site and look at the speeds listed for all the R ThinkPad models. Stunning! --STeve Andre' From chuck@ccncn.org Sat Apr 12 21:07:42 2003 From: chuck@ccncn.org (Chuck Blaisdell) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:07:42 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? Message-ID: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? Thanks, Chuck From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 12 21:39:15 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:39:15 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> NO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? > Thanks, > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From James@thinkpads.com Sat Apr 12 22:45:14 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? In-Reply-To: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> Message-ID: Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? No. 200 pin DDR vs. 144 pin SO-DIMM. Regards, James From wvantuyl@mynewroads.com Sat Apr 12 22:49:00 2003 From: wvantuyl@mynewroads.com (William Van Tuyl) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:49:00 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and runs fine. Bill Bruce Markowitz wrote: >NO >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chuck Blaisdell" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM >Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > > > > >>Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? >>Thanks, >>Chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Thinkpad mailing list >>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > From James@thinkpads.com Sat Apr 12 23:44:17 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:44:17 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? In-Reply-To: <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> Message-ID: William Van Tuyl wrote: > Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is > particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. > info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M > being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and > runs fine. Actually, it's the 600 that chokes on 256MB sticks. The 600E will happily use two for a total of 556MB RAM. Yes, they must be PC100 sticks. In fact, any RAM that works in a 600X, 390X or any of the early T series (20, 21, 22) will work in the 600E. See: http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4E4RG3.html There's a post in the archives somewhere showing what RAM from which manufacturers successfully works in the 600E. Regards, James From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 12 23:55:27 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> Message-ID: <000501c30146$9ca98640$7700a8c0@3ComC> No, they do work with PC100, not PC133 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Van Tuyl" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is > particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. > info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M > being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and > runs fine. > > Bill > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >NO > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chuck Blaisdell" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM > >Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > > > > > > > > > >>Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? > >>Thanks, > >>Chuck > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Thinkpad mailing list > >>Thinkpad@stderr.org > >>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Thinkpad mailing list > >Thinkpad@stderr.org > >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From David Ross" Message-ID: <002301c30147$1b7eb3a0$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> > Go to the IBM web site and look at the speeds listed for all > the R ThinkPad models. Reminds me of my first CP/M machines... - David R. From chuck@ccncn.org Sun Apr 13 01:25:45 2003 From: chuck@ccncn.org (Chuck Blaisdell) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:25:45 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? In-Reply-To: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> Message-ID: <3E984C19.21458.15D1CA6@localhost> Thanks very much to all who replied. I may have a source for a free SODIMM, per below, for the T30. Would anyone be interested in swapping it for one for the 600E? Reply off-list if you don't want clutter this list. cblaisd@netzero.net Chuck On 12 Apr 2003, at 13:07, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? > Thanks, > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From wvantuyl@mynewroads.com Sun Apr 13 01:30:04 2003 From: wvantuyl@mynewroads.com (William Van Tuyl) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:30:04 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> Message-ID: <3E98AF8C.8000302@mynewroads.com> O.K., I wrote too narrowly. Make that - DDR - forget it. !00MHz on some(most?) 600Es. Mine is a 2645-55U so 100MHz doesn't work AFAIK. IBM and others say 100MHz works on 2645- 3Ax, 5Ax, 5Bx, 4Ax, 8Ax, AAx, 4Bx, 8Bx, BAx models only and Requires BIOS version inet26ww or later. So post model numbers both ways? Bill William Van Tuyl wrote: > Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is > particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. > info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M > being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and > runs fine. > > Bill > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >> NO >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM >> Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? >> >> >> >> >>> Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? >>> Thanks, >>> Chuck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thinkpad mailing list >>> Thinkpad@stderr.org >>> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thinkpad mailing list >> Thinkpad@stderr.org >> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From 0ch5@qlink.queensu.ca Sat Apr 26 02:42:32 2003 From: 0ch5@qlink.queensu.ca (Chris Hallford) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T30 Overheating? Message-ID: <002301c30b95$1b370890$0b02a8c0@ibmg7226vvq6gt> Just recently I started doing some CPU intensive calculations with my T30. Yesterday I did some calculations for about 30 minutes, and I noticed that (as expected) the fan came on and the air coming out the side was quite hot. After I was done, I noticed that the fan remained on - and shortly thereafter the system became sluggish, with random pauses, MSN crashing, news reader crashing, etc. So I tried to change power schemes, to my "Super Low Battery" scheme, which drops the CPU to the slowest speed - but nothing happened. I double-checked the speed, but it remained at 1.59 Ghz, according to WinXP. I've re-booted, and shut down numerous times. It's now almost 24 hours later and the fan hasn't gone off yet. Even if I close everything, the fan will continue to run and the system will be unstable. Any ideas? Thanks in Advance, Chris. From dberman@4dv.net Sun Apr 13 04:38:42 2003 From: dberman@4dv.net (Deanna Berman) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:38:42 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] T30 Overheating? References: <002301c30b95$1b370890$0b02a8c0@ibmg7226vvq6gt> Message-ID: <002601c3016e$2e7d4da0$0200000a@f5yxd> You may want to check with Microsoft to see whether this XP problem is what you're experiencing and if you might be able to use its patch. "The throttling function feature may not work as expected. This may cause an overheating problem for the CPU that can cause physical damage. " http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[ln];326863 Deanna dberman@4dv.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallford" <0ch5@qlink.queensu.ca> To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 19:42 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] T30 Overheating? > Just recently I started doing some CPU intensive calculations with my T30. > Yesterday I did some calculations for about 30 minutes, and I noticed that > (as expected) the fan came on and the air coming out the side was quite hot. > After I was done, I noticed that the fan remained on - and shortly > thereafter the system became sluggish, with random pauses, MSN crashing, > news reader crashing, etc. > > So I tried to change power schemes, to my "Super Low Battery" scheme, which > drops the CPU to the slowest speed - but nothing happened. I double-checked > the speed, but it remained at 1.59 Ghz, according to WinXP. I've > re-booted, and shut down numerous times. > > It's now almost 24 hours later and the fan hasn't gone off yet. Even if I > close everything, the fan will continue to run and the system will be > unstable. > > Any ideas? Thanks in Advance, Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From fidel@webcoast2coast.net Sun Apr 13 06:47:45 2003 From: fidel@webcoast2coast.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:47:45 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> Message-ID: <000f01c30180$4a46c720$d22eddcf@oemcomputer> What would happen if I used one 256 M chip? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Van Tuyl" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is > particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. > info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M > being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and > runs fine. > > Bill > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >NO > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chuck Blaisdell" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM > >Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > > > > > > > > > >>Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? > >>Thanks, > >>Chuck > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Thinkpad mailing list > >>Thinkpad@stderr.org > >>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Thinkpad mailing list > >Thinkpad@stderr.org > >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/03 From fidel@webcoast2coast.net Sun Apr 13 07:02:14 2003 From: fidel@webcoast2coast.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:02:14 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> <3E98AF8C.8000302@mynewroads.com> Message-ID: <002301c30182$3cd871e0$d22eddcf@oemcomputer> So, what is the max ram and max ram speed I can put in my 600E 2645-4BU? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Van Tuyl" To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > O.K., I wrote too narrowly. Make that - DDR - forget it. !00MHz on > some(most?) 600Es. Mine is a 2645-55U so 100MHz doesn't work AFAIK. > IBM and others say 100MHz works on 2645- 3Ax, 5Ax, 5Bx, 4Ax, 8Ax, AAx, > 4Bx, 8Bx, BAx models only and Requires BIOS version inet26ww or later. > > So post model numbers both ways? > > Bill > > William Van Tuyl wrote: > > > Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is > > particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. > > info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M > > being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and > > runs fine. > > > > Bill > > > > Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > >> NO > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" > >> > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM > >> Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? > >>> Thanks, > >>> Chuck > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Thinkpad mailing list > >>> Thinkpad@stderr.org > >>> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Thinkpad mailing list > >> Thinkpad@stderr.org > >> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C301A4.2732A280-- From wvantuyl@mynewroads.com Sun Apr 13 15:26:48 2003 From: wvantuyl@mynewroads.com (William Van Tuyl) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> <3E98AF8C.8000302@mynewroads.com> <002301c30182$3cd871e0$d22eddcf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3E9973A8.8070608@mynewroads.com> --------------040603040600090006060301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is on the list at http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4E4RG3.html Ron wrote: >So, what is the max ram and max ram speed I can put in my 600E 2645-4BU? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William Van Tuyl" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:30 PM >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > > > > >>O.K., I wrote too narrowly. Make that - DDR - forget it. !00MHz on >>some(most?) 600Es. Mine is a 2645-55U so 100MHz doesn't work AFAIK. >> IBM and others say 100MHz works on 2645- 3Ax, 5Ax, 5Bx, 4Ax, 8Ax, AAx, >>4Bx, 8Bx, BAx models only and Requires BIOS version inet26ww or later. >> >>So post model numbers both ways? >> >>Bill >> >>William Van Tuyl wrote: >> >> >> >>>Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is >>>particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. >>>info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M >>>being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and >>>runs fine. >>> >>>Bill >>> >>>Bruce Markowitz wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>NO >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM >>>>Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Chuck >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Thinkpad mailing list >>>>>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>>>>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Thinkpad mailing list >>>>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>>>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Thinkpad mailing list >>>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Thinkpad mailing list >>Thinkpad@stderr.org >>http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad >> >> >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/11/03 > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > --------------040603040600090006060301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is on the list at http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4E4RG3.html

Ron wrote:
So, what is the max ram and max ram speed I can put in  my 600E 2645-4BU?
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O.K., I wrote too narrowly.  Make that - DDR - forget it.  !00MHz on 
some(most?) 600Es.  Mine is a 2645-55U so 100MHz doesn't work AFAIK. 
 IBM and others say 100MHz works on 2645- 3Ax, 5Ax, 5Bx, 4Ax, 8Ax, AAx, 
4Bx, 8Bx, BAx models only and Requires BIOS version inet26ww or later.

So post model numbers both ways?

Bill

William Van Tuyl wrote:

    
Not being as succinct as Bruce:  won't work because the 600E is 
particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. 
info, add it) won't work with 100MHz.  Prob. due to the onboard 32M 
being 66MHz   Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and 
runs fine.

Bill

Bruce Markowitz wrote:

      
NO
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Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E?
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--------------040603040600090006060301-- From jberry@islandnet.com Sun Apr 13 16:10:47 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:10:47 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? References: <3E980F9E.12279.70DC0D@localhost> <000b01c30133$95d17d40$7700a8c0@3ComC> <3E9889CC.5010800@mynewroads.com> <000f01c30180$4a46c720$d22eddcf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <33Xm+4mipdVX092yn@islandnet.com> Ron, Your question is vague. If you use one 100 MHz low density 256 MB SDRAM 144-pin SODIMM in your 600E, and it happens to be one of the ones that work (there's been a lot of discussion here about which sticks work and which don't), you'll have 32+ 256 = 288 MB and an empty RAM slot. You cannot mix a 100 MHz piece with a 66 MHz piece in the slots, though whatever has been soldered in place (the 32 MB piece) doesn't seem to cause incompatibilities. In particular, the posts of James Maugham on this subject are right on the money. This reference, which he posted yesterday, may be of interest. http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4E4RG3.html AFAIK, high-density chips won't work. When buying a stick using a "memory configurator" (which is what most memory merchants recommend), you will still almost always be told that the 128 MB piece is the maximum for the 600E. That's why there's some success in choosing a 256 MB piece in the 390X configurator. See the above article for other possible sources of compatibility. A 256 MB stick of the right type is still fairly expensive, ranging (depending upon brand) from $60 to $100 per stick, and I'm not sure all the cheap ones work, though some do. Occasionally such a stick goes on sale and there was a report here within the past three months of cheaper RAM with a mail-in rebate working on the 600E. And here's some stuff that was posted over a year ago, not sure about the exact context: ------------------------------- extract 1 james Not sure of exactly what problems you're having, but a few thoughts to share. You can't mix & match old and new SO-DIMMs in the 600E. E.g., if you've got a 66MHz 64MB or 128MB piece, you can't mix it with a 100MHz 256MB piece. The MEMCOUNT will show all the memory, but it will often cause a BOOT failure or be unstable, at best. You can't put a 133MHz 256MB SO-DIMM in the 600E, it _must_ be 100MHz. I've got two pieces of Viking 256MB PC10032X64SODIMM (Viking Part No. 286172) in my 2645-4AU 600E. Results of the installation: MEMCOUNT: 556,480KB BIOS INSTALLED: 557,056KB BIOS USABLE: 556,480KB W2K: 556,400KB ------------------------------- end extract 1 james ------------------------------- jumbled extract 2 256 Meg RAM parts in 600E $ ------------------------------------------- Known to work Viking 286172 PC100 256MB James Maugham Crucial 256 (Type 2662 from X20 matrix) Nat SimpleTech with Toshiba chips Carl Lowensohn Kingston KTM-TP390X/256 James Maugham 116 Crucial CT184910 $71.99 is cheap Jan02 James Maugham Viking I0258 James Maugham ------------------------------------------- Known not to work Crucial 100 MHz Ray Bayles 8-chip 256 SODIMMS (use 16-chip) Carl Lowensohn ------------------------------------------- "Should work" KINGSTON TECHNOLOGY 256MB 32X64 PC100 SDRAM-100MHZ NON-ECC SODIMM CL2 James Maugham 390X is advertised by Dell as working in the 600X. Interesting! $116 per stick. 1) These 600E machines support 100MHz SODIMMs 2) You cannot successfully mix 100MHz SODIMMs with older 66MHz SODIMMs GoldenRAM part number 33L3069 and bought (1) 256MB SODIMM. The brand is SimpleTech (no comment - but, when I noticed the Toshiba chips, I clutched the package a bit tighter). I > Thinkpad 600E PII 400 > IBM Claimed Max Memory 32 + 128 + 128 > Latest BIOS > OS Windows 2000 > OS Windows XP Pro > onboard 32 > Crucial 256 (see their X20 matrix Type 2662) > As of 1/12/02 32 + 64 + 256 > Confirmed 352MB > Will try to put 32 + 256 + 256 Thinkpad 600E 2645-5AU, originally PII 366, upgraded to PII 400. 32 + 256 + 256 = 544MB (557,056KB BOOT, 556MB usable) with two Viking Part No. 286172 PC100 256MB. This is basically the same stick of memory and will also work: http://www.crucial.com/store/PartSpecs.asp?imodule=CT32M64S4W8E Crucial _will_ ship to CA and they even take Loonies! Start here: http://www.crucial.com/canada/index.asp James Maugham In my experience, the 100MHz sold by Crucial won't work. I have seen some postings on this list to the contrary... but I have never been able to get one from any of several manufacturers work reliably over time. Nor have I been able to exceed the 288MB maximum on-board. Ray Bayles You might want to check Dell's website also: www.dell.com and do a search for Part No. 846893-4 which is a "KINGSTON TECHNOLOGY 256MB 32X64 PC100 SDRAM-100MHZ NON-ECC SODIMM CL2". A little more money, but they're offering free shipping and I believe there are still some valid Dell coupons wandering around the WWW. In Canada, start here: http://www.dell.ca/en/gen/default.htm The Kingston sticks _should_ work. You can get Viking RAM with fast shipping from Insight.com. --- Jonathan Berry wrote: > My 600E still has 128Meg. Win2K seems to run fine, > but everyone says it would profit from more RAM. > > Last summer I naively ordered RAM from compgeeks, > but it wasn't even the right form factor. > > James Maugham revealed that the following 256 Meg > part will work in the 600E: > Viking PC10032X64SODIMM 256MB PC100 SODIMM ------------------------------- end of jumbled extract 2 In article <000f01c30180$4a46c720$d22eddcf@oemcomputer>, "Ron" wrote: >What would happen if I used one 256 M chip? >Ron > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William Van Tuyl" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? > > >> Not being as succinct as Bruce: won't work because the 600E is >> particular about wanting 66MHz memory and usually (if anyone has diff. >> info, add it) won't work with 100MHz. Prob. due to the onboard 32M >> being 66MHz Mine is at 288M (32M onboard, 2x128M added) memory and >> runs fine. >> >> Bill >> >> Bruce Markowitz wrote: >> >> >NO >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Chuck Blaisdell" >> >To: >> >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:07 PM >> >Subject: [Thinkpad] Can T30 Memory work in 600E? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>Will a 256MB DDR SDRAM SODIMM for the T30 work in a 600E? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Chuck >> >> -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ Iraq Facts? http://www.cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030318.html#iraq From jdaniels@stanfordalumni.org Sun Apr 13 18:53:32 2003 From: jdaniels@stanfordalumni.org (Josh Daniels) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:53:32 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] When will T40 ship with DVD-R or Multi-Burner in Slim Form? 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In-Reply-To: <33Xm+4mipdVX092yn@islandnet.com> Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Berry > > If you use one 100 MHz low density 256 MB SDRAM 144-pin SODIMM > in your 600E, and it happens to be one of the ones that work > (there's been a lot of discussion here about which sticks > work and which don't), you'll have 32+ 256 = 288 MB and an > empty RAM slot. You cannot mix a 100 MHz piece with a 66 MHz > piece in the slots, though whatever has been soldered in place > (the 32 MB piece) doesn't seem to cause incompatibilities. I ran my original TP600, 2645-51U, with 416MB RAM for some time. I had a 100 MHz 256MB piece and a 66 MHz 128MB piece in it. If I recall, the 128MB piece was IBM and the 256MB piece was either IBM or Kingston. The machine ran very reliably in this configuration. I used it to install a number of virtual machines with no problems at all. It did work only with the two memory pieces in a certain order--if I swapped them it went back down to 288MB. -Mike From jloyless@netbox.com Mon Apr 14 04:41:18 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Mini-FAQ (includes how to un-subscribe) - Revised! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030413234118.00e44f50@pop.mindspring.com> Thanks to James Maugham and Jim Hope for their contributions in updating the links! 1) How do I un-subscribe? This information is in the header of every individual note that is sent out to the list: List-Unsubscribe: , If your company uses "autoresponders" or "auto out of office" replies when you go on vacation, politely un-subscribe from the Thinkpad List until you return from vacation at which time you can re-subscribe. This will eliminate your vacation notice from being sent to every person who posts to the list. 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IBM realizes that some customers want the Windows key functionality and provides this utility to create one: From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <05d301c302a5$536408b0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> all you need to do is use a diskette in the floppy drive to FDISK and FORMAT the new HDD.. W2k will work nicely on the 600 series.. you will need more memory than with W98 though.. i just sold a bunch of these 600E's and thus have a bit of recent experience doing this.. you will need to update the bios and get all the updated utilities and drivers from the IBM web site.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyberwing" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] Install/Format new HD in ThinkPad 600E? I am working on a used ThinkPad 600E with a bad HD. It came with no ThinkPad Utility Disks. Installed a new HD. ( My first ThinkPad job: ) 1) How do I get past the ThinkPad built-in menu, in order to Format? Is there a special Utility required for this? 2) Are there any other ThinkPad Restores I need after HD Installation/Format? Thanks, Cyberwing From levanger@comcast.net Sun Apr 13 04:36:17 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP600X SODIMM's Message-ID: <008401c3016d$db4ac7c0$6401a8c0@beasst> Will 256MB PC133 SODIMM's work in a IBM TP600X (2645-8EU) or do they have to be PC100? TIA. John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." From levanger@comcast.net Mon Apr 14 07:38:34 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:38:34 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP 600X Memory Message-ID: <008801c30250$78d0b990$6401a8c0@beasst> Anyone have a stick of 256MB ram that will work in a 600X for sale cheap (<$40)? Thanks in advance! John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." From alhartman6@comcast.net Sat Apr 12 16:22:48 2003 From: alhartman6@comcast.net (Al Hartman) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: 30gb IDE Laptop Drive Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030412112232.012f55e8@mail.comcast.net> Before I put this on eBay, I wanted to offer this to the list... THIS IS THE LAST CALL! I have a spare Toshiba 2.5" Laptop HDD, model MK3018GAP. It's a 9.5MM drive, 30gb in size. This is a drive that I just received from Toshiba as a replacement for a failed unit. It's new, never been used. It may be a refurbished unit, but I haven't opened the package to see. I don't know what a fair price is.... I was thinking of $100.00 (which includes shipping within the U.S.A. Only...) O.B.O. First come, first served... I can accept PayPal (No Credit cards) or a Money Order. The drive this is in replacement for, worked great in my TP600E until the 600 was dropped and the drive failed. I've since replaced that drive with a new one, and this one is surplus... Thanks! Al Hartman From levanger@comcast.net Sun Apr 13 03:48:20 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:48:20 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] IBM 600X vs 600E Message-ID: <004c01c30167$275a1460$6401a8c0@beasst> Hi Everyone, I just bought a TP 600X off of eBay to replace my 600E. I'm getting ready to deploy overseas with the Army and wanted a little extra horsepower in my laptop. Should I be able to insert the H/D from my 600E without reformatting as it's a fairly fresh install and has all my info and settings (it's a 32GB)? Does Win XP Pro have all the drivers for the 600X as it did for the 600E. From my casual review it looks as only the modem is different between the models, is this the case? Having never laid hands on a 600X is there anything "new" that I should know about vs the 600E? Thanks in advance! John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." From dcurry@cariocas.com Tue Apr 15 20:16:09 2003 From: dcurry@cariocas.com (Daniel Curry) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD recognition problem with T21 and XP Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30383.78681F98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, =20 I recently installed XP Pro onto my T21. It has the Hitachi DVD drive in it. XP displays it as a "CD Drive", but not as a DVD drive. I put a CD in, and XP will read and access it, but not a DVD. However the properties of the device does show the proper nomenclature and has the string "HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-S200". The driver is reported to be working correctly. =20 If I put my former hdd into the machine with Win2k or Linux, the drive is recognized correctly, and will properly access Data DVD's and play movie DVD's. =20 =20 Thanks for the input. =20 Daniel Curry IT Manager, Cariocas, Inc. 415-348-6516 (direct) 415-348-6505 (fax) 510-304-0418 (mobile) dcurry@cariocas.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30383.78681F98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

 

I recently installed XP Pro onto my T21.  It has the = Hitachi DVD drive in it.  XP displays = it as a “CD = Drive”, but not as a DVD drive.  I put = a CD in, and XP will read and access it, but not a DVD.  However the properties of the device does show the proper nomenclature and has the = string “HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-S200”.  = The driver is reported to be working correctly.

 

If I put my former hdd = into the machine with Win2k or Linux, the drive is recognized correctly, and will = properly access Data DVD’s and play movie DVD’s. 

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Daniel = Curry

IT Manager, Cariocas, = Inc.

415-348-6516 = (direct)

415-348-6505 (fax)

510-304-0418 = (mobile)

dcurry@cariocas.com

=

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C30383.78681F98-- From ssh@nocteam.org Tue Apr 15 20:57:45 2003 From: ssh@nocteam.org (Steve Hultquist) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:57:45 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD recognition problem with T21 and XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02ee01c30389$5a9430d0$04020a0a@ssht23> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02EF_01C30357.0FF9C0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm. =20 I have a T23 running XP and it works fine. May I suggest that you = install the latest DVD-ROM drivers from IBM? Alternatively, you may want to = remove the DVD-ROM, delete it from Device Manager, reboot and login, then = re-insert it (it should recognize it and install drivers). Best regards, ssh=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org] On = Behalf Of Daniel Curry Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:16 PM To: thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD recognition problem with T21 and XP =20 Hello all, =20 I recently installed XP Pro onto my T21. It has the Hitachi DVD drive = in it. XP displays it as a "CD Drive", but not as a DVD drive. I put a CD = in, and XP will read and access it, but not a DVD. However the properties = of the device does show the proper nomenclature and has the string "HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-S200". The driver is reported to be working correctly. =20 If I put my former hdd into the machine with Win2k or Linux, the drive = is recognized correctly, and will properly access Data DVD's and play movie DVD's. =20 =20 Thanks for the input. =20 Daniel Curry IT Manager, Cariocas, Inc. 415-348-6516 (direct) 415-348-6505 (fax) 510-304-0418 (mobile) dcurry@cariocas.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_02EF_01C30357.0FF9C0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hmmm…

 

I have a T23 running XP and it = works fine. May I suggest that you install the latest DVD-ROM drivers from = IBM? Alternatively, you may want to remove the DVD-ROM, delete it from Device Manager, = reboot and login, then re-insert it (it should recognize it and install = drivers).

Best regards,
ssh

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Curry
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:16 = PM
To: = thinkpad@stderr.org
Subject: [Thinkpad] DVD recognition problem with T21 and XP

 

Hello all,

 

I recently installed XP = Pro onto my T21.  It has the Hitachi DVD drive in it.  XP displays it as a “CD Drive”, but not as a DVD drive.  I put a CD in, and XP will read and access it, but not a DVD.  However the properties of the device does show the proper nomenclature and has the string “HITACHI DVD-ROM = GD-S200”.  The driver is reported to be working correctly.

 

If I put my former hdd into the machine with Win2k or = Linux, the drive is recognized correctly, and will properly access Data = DVD’s and play movie DVD’s. 

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Daniel Curry

IT Manager, Cariocas, Inc.

415-348-6516 (direct)

415-348-6505 (fax)

510-304-0418 (mobile)

dcurry@cariocas.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_02EF_01C30357.0FF9C0D0-- From stevec50@yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 00:49:55 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] IBM 600X vs 600E In-Reply-To: <004c01c30167$275a1460$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: <20030415234955.41032.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Changing drives with XP won't work if the chipset, video, etc are different. One or two changes are probably Ok but if there are very many it just crashes. W2K will install new drivers for whatever it finds but Xp doesn't, which is about the only good point I've found with W2K. In the worst case where it doesn't work you can just re-install XP again and it will fix everything while it's installing. --- John Levanger wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I just bought a TP 600X off of > eBay to replace my 600E. > I'm getting ready to deploy overseas with the Army > and wanted a little extra > horsepower in my laptop. Should I be able to insert > the H/D from my 600E > without reformatting as it's a fairly fresh install > and has all my info and > settings (it's a 32GB)? Does Win XP Pro have all the > drivers for the 600X as > it did for the 600E. From my casual review it looks > as only the modem is > different between the models, is this the case? > Having never laid hands on a > 600X is there anything "new" that I should know > about vs the 600E? Thanks in > advance! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Mike@Geary.com Wed Apr 16 01:36:23 2003 From: Mike@Geary.com (Michael Geary) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:36:23 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] IBM 600X vs 600E In-Reply-To: <20030415234955.41032.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > From: Steve C. > > Changing drives with XP won't work if the chipset, > video, etc are different. One or two changes are > probably Ok but if there are very many it just > crashes. W2K will install new drivers for whatever it > finds but Xp doesn't, which is about the only good > point I've found with W2K. > In the worst case where it doesn't work you can just > re-install XP again and it will fix everything while > it's installing. This doesn't match my experience at all. I have transferred working XP installations back and forth among several different ThinkPad models. XP has handled every one of these hardware changes with no problems except for one known IDE PnP issue that both Windows 2000 and XP share. XP is certainly no worse than Windows 2000 in this regard. Other than the IDE PnP issue, they have both worked perfectly for me. My current XP installation has hardware profiles for ThinkPad 600, A21p, and A30p, and it boots perfectly in any of those machines. You shouldn't run into the IDE issue going from a 600E to a 600X--it should be a smooth migration. It's best to clone the hard drive first so you have an ultimate backup, but short of that, I would use System Restore to create a restore point, create a new hardware profile for the new machine, and then go for it. -Mike From jloyless@netbox.com Wed Apr 16 01:50:17 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] IBM 600X vs 600E In-Reply-To: <004c01c30167$275a1460$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030415205017.00e05ea0@pop.mindspring.com> At 10:48 PM 04/12/2003 -0400, John Levanger wrote: >Should I be able to insert the H/D from my 600E >without reformatting as it's a fairly fresh install and has all my info and >settings (it's a 32GB)? Does Win XP Pro have all the drivers for the 600X as >it did for the 600E. From my casual review it looks as only the modem is >different between the models, is this the case? Having never laid hands on a >600X is there anything "new" that I should know about vs the 600E? Thanks in >advance! > Don't have a clue about how it will work with XP, but it worked fine when I moved my NT40 drive from a 600E to a 600X several years ago. I would download any XP specific files for the 600X from the device driver matrix (and it looks like there are a few) before I started, though. And, of course, back up anything you don't want to lose... From toshimizuno@comcast.net Wed Apr 16 03:30:15 2003 From: toshimizuno@comcast.net (Toshi Mizuno) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:30:15 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] G40 Message-ID: <20030415222909.26B1.TOSHIMIZUNO@comcast.net> G40 is now selling in Japan. http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tpg4034/tpg4034s.html Sincerely, Toshi Mizuno 581 VFW Parkway Chestnut Hill, MA 02467 toshimizuno@comcast.net home: 617-327-4907 cell: 617-438-0733 From J.L.BURTON@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 16 05:20:18 2003 From: J.L.BURTON@worldnet.att.net (JEFF) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] bootable floppy with CD support Message-ID: <000001c303cf$831d3970$7c70500c@JLB> I need a bootable floppy with cd support for a 310 thinkpad. Can someone e-mail me the contents for a bootup disc, or let me know where I can find one. Thanks Jeffrey L. Burton 619.226.2728 Fax 619.221.8079 j.l.burton@worldnet.att.net From andres@msu.edu Wed Apr 16 05:22:15 2003 From: andres@msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] G40 In-Reply-To: <20030415222909.26B1.TOSHIMIZUNO@comcast.net> References: <20030415222909.26B1.TOSHIMIZUNO@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200304160022.15259.andres@msu.edu> On Tuesday 15 April 2003 22:30, Toshi Mizuno wrote: > G40 is now selling in Japan. > http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tpg4034/tpg4034s.html > > Sincerely, > > Toshi Mizuno Thank you for this posting. Someone came to me today, and asked if I knew much about the G40. Now I can tell them a little. Not reading Japanese I can only gets parts of it, but it looks to be somewhere between the R series and A series. I'm still waiting for the successor to the A31p. I've heard it will be the 40p, but who knows... --STeve Andre' From Gary Kuznitz Wed Apr 16 05:34:01 2003 From: Gary Kuznitz (Gary Kuznitz) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:34:01 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] bootable floppy with CD support In-Reply-To: <000001c303cf$831d3970$7c70500c@JLB> Message-ID: <3E9C7AC9.8522.C29F7DB@localhost> You can find lots of flavors here: http://www.bootdisk.com/ Enjoy, Gary Kuznitz On 15 Apr 2003 at 21:20, JEFF (JEFF ) commented about [Thinkpad] bootable floppy with CD support: > I need a bootable floppy with cd support for a 310 thinkpad. Can someone > e-mail me the contents for a bootup disc, or let me know where I can find > one. > Thanks > > Jeffrey L. Burton > 619.226.2728 > Fax 619.221.8079 > j.l.burton@worldnet.att.net > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From penzance@gate.net Wed Apr 16 08:39:48 2003 From: penzance@gate.net (Penzance - NetFinity) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:39:48 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] G40 References: <20030415222909.26B1.TOSHIMIZUNO@comcast.net> <200304160022.15259.andres@msu.edu> Message-ID: <07df01c303eb$5bff9420$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> this one seems to have the 1200x1600 display.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: "Toshi Mizuno" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] G40 > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 22:30, Toshi Mizuno wrote: > > G40 is now selling in Japan. > > http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tpg4034/tpg4034s.html > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Toshi Mizuno > > Thank you for this posting. Someone came to me today, and > asked if I knew much about the G40. Now I can tell them a > little. Not reading Japanese I can only gets parts of it, but > it looks to be somewhere between the R series and A series. > > I'm still waiting for the successor to the A31p. I've heard it > will be the 40p, but who knows... > > --STeve Andre' > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From chenwy@ms3.hinet.net Wed Apr 16 09:11:58 2003 From: chenwy@ms3.hinet.net (Wen-Yu Chen) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:11:58 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Thinkpad] G40 Message-ID: <200304160811.QAA05007@msr.hinet.net> The display resolution is 1024x768 or 1400x1050. The external monitor support up to 1200x1600. At 03:39 ¤W¤È 2003/4/16 -0400, Penzance - NetFinity wrote: >this one seems to have the 1200x1600 display.. > > >******************* >Cordially, >Bill Morrow >(from NetFinity Server) >web page: http://www.thinkpads.com >bill@thinkpads.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: "Toshi Mizuno" ; > >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:22 AM >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] G40 > > >> On Tuesday 15 April 2003 22:30, Toshi Mizuno wrote: >> > G40 is now selling in Japan. >> > >http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tpg4034/tpg4034s.html >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Toshi Mizuno >> >> Thank you for this posting. Someone came to me today, and >> asked if I knew much about the G40. Now I can tell them a >> little. Not reading Japanese I can only gets parts of >it, but >> it looks to be somewhere between the R series and A >series. >> >> I'm still waiting for the successor to the A31p. I've >heard it >> will be the 40p, but who knows... >> >> --STeve Andre' >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thinkpad mailing list >> Thinkpad@stderr.org >> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > >_______________________________________________ >Thinkpad mailing list >Thinkpad@stderr.org >http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From adoram@chrzescijanie.pl Wed Apr 16 11:13:06 2003 From: adoram@chrzescijanie.pl (Michal Pleban) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Thinkpad] G40 In-Reply-To: <07df01c303eb$5bff9420$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Penzance - NetFinity wrote: > this one seems to have the 1200x1600 display.. >From what I can read from the Japanese characters :-)) looks like 1600x1200 is the resolution on external monitor, and LCD is 1024x768 or 1400x1050 in the high-end model. Regards, Michau. > > > ******************* > Cordially, > Bill Morrow > (from NetFinity Server) > web page: http://www.thinkpads.com > bill@thinkpads.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "STeve Andre'" > To: "Toshi Mizuno" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] G40 > > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 22:30, Toshi Mizuno wrote: > > > G40 is now selling in Japan. > > > > http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tpg4034/tpg4034s.html > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Toshi Mizuno > > > > Thank you for this posting. Someone came to me today, and > > asked if I knew much about the G40. Now I can tell them a > > little. Not reading Japanese I can only gets parts of > it, but > > it looks to be somewhere between the R series and A > series. > > > > I'm still waiting for the successor to the A31p. I've > heard it > > will be the 40p, but who knows... > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > -- ________________________________________________________________ Oczekujesz wiecej od zycia? Mamy dla ciebie dobra nowine! http://www.Ewangelia.com - dobra nowina dla ciebie From Info@SYNass.NET Wed Apr 16 10:32:42 2003 From: Info@SYNass.NET (Info 4 SYNass) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:32:42 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] Which TP to choose: TP 600e or TP600x ??? Message-ID: <1050489162-0-Info@SYNass.NET> Hello TP experts and user My oldie notebook, an 8 years old Toshiba T4900CT, shall be replaced ! I am thinking of a Thinkpad 600 !! Now looking at the TP drivers matrix I noticed that a few drivers, i.e. IR, shall be available for the 600e but not for the 600x !? Generally I would prefer the 600x ... ... but how do I choose best if it comes primarily to OS/2 Warp 4 and, secondarily only, to W98SE ??? Do you have some specific personal experiences and hints to avoid any difficulties or incompatibilities ?? Also very important: I want my TP with the Swiss Keyboard (02K4797) ! Where can I find and get such a keyboard and what is the price if this, if I need to replace the original non-Swiss keyboard !? Regional Codes !? I am not sure if this is a topic for Thinkpad Accessories i.e. CD-ROM, DVD or Modems ... ... what do I need to pay attention for ??? Your advise is hot awaited and very appreciated ... ... thanks in advance for your support. Cheers, svobi ************************************************ >>> Say NO to HTML in Mail and News <<< >>> AGAINST TERROR +++ AGAINST WAR <<< ************************************************ From louw@prefer.net Wed Apr 16 20:24:03 2003 From: louw@prefer.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:24:03 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Web camera for T22? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030416122301.00b548b8@pop.pophost.com> Does IBM have a web camera that will fit onto a T22 Thinkpad? model number, url of a vendor. Thanks. Warm Regards, Lou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From LConrad@Go2France.com Wed Apr 16 20:56:34 2003 From: LConrad@Go2France.com (Len Conrad) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:56:34 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Web camera for T22? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030416122301.00b548b8@pop.pophost.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416145406.0238e778@mail.go2france.com> >Does IBM have a web camera that will fit onto a T22 Thinkpad? model >number, url of a vendor. any USB camera? I like the philips ToUCam Pro for it's video quality and adjustments, but it's not sold in USA anymore. I think the Logitec quickcam 3000/4000 uses the same video captor, at least it gives me nearly the same quality and adjustments as the ToUCam Pro. Len From simon@jettis.com Wed Apr 16 21:04:49 2003 From: simon@jettis.com (Simon Hamilton-Wilkes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Web camera for T22? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416145406.0238e778@mail.go2france.com> Message-ID: <000201c30453$6ff17e40$a300a8c0@EIGHT> Does the T22 have the UltraPort on the top of the display ? If so there's the UltraPort II camera from IBM. -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org]On Behalf Of Len Conrad Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:57 PM To: thinkpad@stderr.org Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Web camera for T22? >Does IBM have a web camera that will fit onto a T22 Thinkpad? model >number, url of a vendor. any USB camera? I like the philips ToUCam Pro for it's video quality and adjustments, but it's not sold in USA anymore. I think the Logitec quickcam 3000/4000 uses the same video captor, at least it gives me nearly the same quality and adjustments as the ToUCam Pro. Len _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad@stderr.org http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 17 01:39:54 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Damn IBM web site is down again References: <3E9C7AC9.8522.C29F7DB@localhost> Message-ID: <006701c30479$dda46bc0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> It IS a little embarassiung that IBM can't seem to keep a web site up and running! > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From higgins@dorsai.org Thu Apr 17 01:57:29 2003 From: higgins@dorsai.org (John Higgins) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] Getting a recovery CD Message-ID: <20030417005730.C811F3B648@amanda.dorsai.org> Does anyone have the IBM number I call to get set of recovery disks for my new t23?? Thanks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins higgins@dorsai.org v)646-746-7024/f)646-746-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From andres@msu.edu Thu Apr 17 01:55:03 2003 From: andres@msu.edu (STeve Andre') Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:55:03 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Damn IBM web site is down again In-Reply-To: <006701c30479$dda46bc0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> References: <3E9C7AC9.8522.C29F7DB@localhost> <006701c30479$dda46bc0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <200304162055.04195.andres@msu.edu> To be fair to them, did you do a traceroute to verify that some segment of the net isn't down, thus keeping ibm's site off the net? I get to level3.net and then the world stops. So, I don't know if the site is down, or something farther upstream. --STeve Andre' On Wednesday 16 April 2003 20:39, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > It IS a little embarassiung that IBM can't seem to keep a web site up and > running! From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 17 02:16:23 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:16:23 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Damn IBM web site is down again References: <3E9C7AC9.8522.C29F7DB@localhost> <006701c30479$dda46bc0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> <200304162055.04195.andres@msu.edu> Message-ID: <007701c3047e$f6ae14e0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> You can get onto the site, but when you click on most anything on the support page, you get a redirect message, which leads to a sorry document not available page. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Damn IBM web site is down again > To be fair to them, did you do a traceroute to verify that > some segment of the net isn't down, thus keeping ibm's > site off the net? I get to level3.net and then the world > stops. So, I don't know if the site is down, or something > farther upstream. > > --STeve Andre' > > On Wednesday 16 April 2003 20:39, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > It IS a little embarassiung that IBM can't seem to keep a web site up and > > running! > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 17 02:16:45 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Getting a recovery CD References: <20030417005730.C811F3B648@amanda.dorsai.org> Message-ID: <007d01c3047f$03ae0600$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> 1-800-772-2227 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Higgins" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Getting a recovery CD > Does anyone have the IBM number I call to get set of recovery disks for > my new > t23?? Thanks. > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > higgins@dorsai.org > v)646-746-7024/f)646-746-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 17 02:16:56 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Getting a recovery CD References: <20030417005730.C811F3B648@amanda.dorsai.org> Message-ID: <008101c3047f$09cd19e0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Or as they say, RTFM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Higgins" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Getting a recovery CD > Does anyone have the IBM number I call to get set of recovery disks for > my new > t23?? Thanks. > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > higgins@dorsai.org > v)646-746-7024/f)646-746-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From co273@bfn.org Thu Apr 17 06:40:20 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] Parts to spare In-Reply-To: <008101c3047f$09cd19e0$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: Hi. Really hate to repeat myself, but does anyone have a Thinkpad 560 DC Board to spare? From davidmevis@homelessbob.com Thu Apr 17 07:50:36 2003 From: davidmevis@homelessbob.com (David Mevis) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:50:36 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Odds and ends going out the door... Message-ID: <002001c304ad$a71f5e50$fe00a8c0@NODE01> Hey guys and gals; I'm just cleaning out the stash trying to make room for some new stuff and thought I'd give you all first crack. I found a box of five (5) IBM Ultrastar 4.5GB 3.5" LP SCSI Hard Drives in the closet. Never used. They'd be perfect for docking station use, etc. I can let the whole box go for $50 + shipping... I can't imagine that shipping would cost more than $15 or $20 and the box is a foampak harddrive box so the drives are like brand new. Interested? Drop me a line and we can set up a PayPal deal or something. davidmevis@homelessbob.com From David Ross" Message-ID: <001201c304b7$3a630500$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> Kev, Nobody who owns a 560-series machine is going to have a 'spare' DC-DC board; this is the part of the machine that fails most frequently. Your best bet is to locate a dead 560 - dead for reasons *other* than this board. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kev" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Parts to spare > Hi. Really hate to repeat myself, but does anyone have a Thinkpad 560 DC > Board to spare? > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From Dr. Jeffrey Race" On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:40:20 -0400 (EDT), Kev wrote: >Hi. Really hate to repeat myself, but does anyone have a Thinkpad 560 DC >Board to spare? Try Blue Star Computer Corp. T: +1 508 429-3001 7 October Hill F: +1 508 429-3007 Holliston MA 01746-1371 www.bluestarusa.com Dan Flaherty, Brendan, Ken danf@bluestarusa.com (chop shop for IBM Thinkpad parts) From James@thinkpads.com Thu Apr 17 14:42:25 2003 From: James@thinkpads.com (James H. E. Maugham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Tom's Hardware says: T40 - Quite Likely the Best Pentium-M Notebook! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A very thorough review of the T40 released today at: http://www.tomshardware.com/newsletter/vol3/15/ibm_t40.html The internal views of the test unit, and the test results themselves, are quite interesting. Regards, James From thart@dam.net Thu Apr 17 16:06:12 2003 From: thart@dam.net (Teresa and Arlyn) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el References: Message-ID: <002901c304f2$e6a6e580$e763a341@FIRST> I hope this is going across right I had to use outlook, on wrong computer for eudora and web mail won't work today. I bought a xircon realport modem for my daughters 760el because x jack broke, I copied driver off of web and sent it to her on floppy, when she installs she gets a fatal error, blue screen of death, any ideas other than buy a 600 and shut up?? ha ha. Thanks, Teresa From ajwells@ix.netcom.com Thu Apr 17 16:06:23 2003 From: ajwells@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Wells) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Tom's Hardware says: T40 - Quite Likely the Best Pentium-M Notebook! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c304f2$e9abc110$a3b5fea9@ibmhlmj9lao106> A good article... I would only update my initial rave reviews on my T40 with a few glitches that has me toning down my initial optimism a bit... The power button or circuit does not start the machine up reliably under battery power... one time it starts up fine, the next time the fan goes on and nothing.... then you wait two minutes and it starts... IBM is sending a new battery; hopefully that's it... and maybe its just my settings, but I cant get the machine to connect to my dsl service via the Ethernet connector... I know its gigabit, but its supposed to be downward compatible... it connects fine when you go directly from the modem into the computer, but when I use my 10/100 hub it will just not connect... and a few other software glitches like having the radio on/off switch in the system tray disappear... and again, it might be my setup, but the wireless seems slower and less reliable than the wireless in my T23 Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-admin@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-admin@stderr.org] On Behalf Of James H. E. Maugham Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:42 AM To: Thinkpad List Subject: [Thinkpad] Tom's Hardware says: T40 - Quite Likely the Best Pentium-M Notebook! A very thorough review of the T40 released today at: http://www.tomshardware.com/newsletter/vol3/15/ibm_t40.html The internal views of the test unit, and the test results themselves, are quite interesting. Regards, James _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad@stderr.org http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From allthewayaj_1@msn.com Thu Apr 17 16:14:23 2003 From: allthewayaj_1@msn.com (A JAl Albritton) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Docking Station Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C304D2.805FA160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Docking Station for sale: Fits any 760 series laptop. Complete with CD RO= M. Also has SCDSI 2.1 HDD in it. CD ROM working OK, HDD never tried, Dock= Station quit on me. Dont know why? Probably something minor. Make offer = as is! Price plus shipping. A J Albritton =20 allthewayaj_1@msn.com ol'111 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C304D2.805FA160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C304D2.805FA160-- From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 17 16:40:12 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:40:12 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el References: <002901c304f2$e6a6e580$e763a341@FIRST> Message-ID: <000e01c304f7$bded8900$7700a8c0@600e400> It may be a cardbus modem, in which case you would need to enable cardbus in ThinkPad setup. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa and Arlyn" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el > I hope this is going across right I had to use outlook, on wrong computer > for eudora and web mail won't work today. > I bought a xircon realport modem for my daughters 760el because x jack > broke, I copied driver off of web and sent it to her on floppy, when she > installs she gets a fatal error, blue screen of death, any ideas other than > buy a 600 and shut up?? ha ha. > Thanks, > Teresa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From thart@dam.net Thu Apr 17 17:14:12 2003 From: thart@dam.net (Teresa and Arlyn) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el References: <002901c304f2$e6a6e580$e763a341@FIRST> <000e01c304f7$bded8900$7700a8c0@600e400> Message-ID: <005301c304fc$66809b80$e763a341@FIRST> Thanks, I think I'll go back to remedial computer school! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Teresa and Arlyn" ; "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el > It may be a cardbus modem, in which case you would need to enable cardbus in > ThinkPad setup. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa and Arlyn" > To: "Thinkpad List" > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: [Thinkpad] toil and trouble760el > > > > I hope this is going across right I had to use outlook, on wrong computer > > for eudora and web mail won't work today. > > I bought a xircon realport modem for my daughters 760el because x jack > > broke, I copied driver off of web and sent it to her on floppy, when she > > installs she gets a fatal error, blue screen of death, any ideas other > than > > buy a 600 and shut up?? ha ha. > > Thanks, > > Teresa > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From kochkodin@earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 21:47:23 2003 From: kochkodin@earthlink.net (K.) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:47:23 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Rebates Redux...A Good Read Message-ID: <3E9F12DA.91463171@earthlink.net> This concerns the recent discussion of rebate woes at Office Max etal...It appeared in today's NY Times Circuits column..Written by David Pogue.. Regards, Mike Kochkodin http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/technology/circuits/17reba.html?8cir From tkim@lynx.neu.edu Fri Apr 18 02:43:26 2003 From: tkim@lynx.neu.edu (Tae Hyong Kim) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:43:26 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: UPDATE: Would this fit in my 600x? In-Reply-To: <00f801c2ff0b$189471e0$7700a8c0@3ComC> References: <20030409232802.16939.73435.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> <00f801c2ff0b$189471e0$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: --============_-1161492287==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Quick update - more info to follow in a few days. It arrived, I installed it, and it is fully functional. Toshiba model # SD-R2102 CD-RW/DVD ROM Total cost: $79 - Tae >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tae Hyong Kim >To: thinkpad@stderr.org >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:25 PM >Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x? > > >Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69 > >http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=ST&plin=Expansion&pfam=Modular%20Bay&poid=205374&Adoid=140299 > >I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap >DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X. > >I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding >plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM >purchased from eaby ... > >- Tae >-- > >"Inter caecos regnat luscus." -- "Inter caecos regnat luscus." --============_-1161492287==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: UPDATE: Would this fit in my 600x?
Quick update - more info to follow in a few days.

It arrived, I installed it, and it is fully functional.

Toshiba model # SD-R2102 CD-RW/DVD ROM

Total cost: $79

- Tae

----- Original Message -----
From: Tae Hyong Kim
To: thinkpad@stderr.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: [Thinkpad] Would this fit in my 600x?


Toshiba PA3104U-2CD2 DVD/CDRW - $69

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_prodDetail.jsp?_EngineID=cccdadchmjglgjjcgfkceghdgngdglj.0&comm=ST&plin=Expansion&pfam=Modular%20Bay&poid=205374&Adoid=140299

I know it says it's for a Toshiba, but if it did, it'd be a cheap DVD/CDRW drive for my 600X.

I'm talking about the drive itself - I can remove the surrounding plastics like I did when I swapped the 24x cdrom for DVD ROM purchased from eaby ...

- Tae
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"Inter caecos regnat luscus."


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"Inter caecos regnat luscus."
--============_-1161492287==_ma============-- From bryandaum@attbi.com Fri Apr 18 02:51:24 2003 From: bryandaum@attbi.com (Bryan Daum) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:51:24 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] Upgrade path from 600X? References: <001201c304b7$3a630500$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> Message-ID: <001b01c3054d$04d69be0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Upgraded from my sweet 600E to a 600X 500 last year and really love the new machine but now my son's school computer is needing replacement so it it time for a laptop for him. As I think of recycling mine to him I am considering an upgrade to a 600X 650. They are going for about $700 with a cdrw/dvd which sounds just fine (cheap)....but should I make the upgrade to a T20 etc. to have a newer hardware? I am operating on a constrained budget already but there are T20 deals out there that are little more than the 600X 650 pricing...and they have the tracklight... So far I find no issues with my use with the 600X 500 (other than wishing it had the neat tracklight). The question is which way to go? Any thoughts out there? Bryan From techshop@ameritech.net Fri Apr 18 03:00:19 2003 From: techshop@ameritech.net (TechShop) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:00:19 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Upgrade path from 600X? References: <001201c304b7$3a630500$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> <001b01c3054d$04d69be0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <055901c3054e$4440c7f0$6801a8c0@techshop> I have both a 600X and T23. I wish the T had the 600's keyboard. Otherwise, it's a mighty nice machine. That being said, I'll keep my 600X forever. It's the most versatile laptop I've ever owned. Plus, what would I do with all the extra drives, dock and accessories? The T series , and I've had a few, have been extremely dependable, and performed as expected. My newest has Wifi built in, which is a nice addition. Whichever you decide, enjoy. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Daum" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Upgrade path from 600X? Upgraded from my sweet 600E to a 600X 500 last year and really love the new machine but now my son's school computer is needing replacement so it it time for a laptop for him. As I think of recycling mine to him I am considering an upgrade to a 600X 650. They are going for about $700 with a cdrw/dvd which sounds just fine (cheap)....but should I make the upgrade to a T20 etc. to have a newer hardware? I am operating on a constrained budget already but there are T20 deals out there that are little more than the 600X 650 pricing...and they have the tracklight... So far I find no issues with my use with the 600X 500 (other than wishing it had the neat tracklight). The question is which way to go? Any thoughts out there? Bryan _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad@stderr.org http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From levanger@comcast.net Fri Apr 18 09:40:27 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:40:27 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] IBM 600X vs 600E Message-ID: <007201c30586$441a0ba0$6401a8c0@beasst> I would like to thank all of you who replied to my earlier question pertaining to the migration of my 600E's hard drive to my "new" 600X. The migration was completely seamless with Win XP Pro detecting the new video adapter, modem, and other embedded components. It's up and running and there's quite a performance increase. Does anyone run any games at all on their 600X? The video chip is fairly weak with only 4MB of memory for most games, but what do you run...I'm trying to get an idea without having to read each individual box for "Minimum Requirements". Thanks for any help and ideas! John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" <001201c304b7$3a630500$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> <001b01c3054d$04d69be0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <0a2801c305bd$fdcaf3c0$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> if you NEED a tracklight, try a flylight.. plugs into the USB port.. not perfect but better than nothing if you need it.. T20 is a bit dated now, but much better than the X600 in many instances.. also, there are T23's available for about $1k+.. new, sealed, full warranty.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Daum" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Upgrade path from 600X? > Upgraded from my sweet 600E to a 600X 500 last year and really love the new > machine but now my son's school computer is needing replacement so it it > time for a laptop for him. > > As I think of recycling mine to him I am considering an upgrade to a 600X > 650. They are going for about $700 with a cdrw/dvd which sounds just fine > (cheap)....but should I make the upgrade to a T20 etc. to have a newer > hardware? I am operating on a constrained budget already but there are T20 > deals out there that are little more than the 600X 650 pricing...and they > have the tracklight... So far I find no issues with my use with the 600X > 500 (other than wishing it had the neat tracklight). > > The question is which way to go? Any thoughts out there? > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <0a2d01c305be$35eee680$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> thanks for the link but i don't WANT to tell the NYTimes all about me..! :-) ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "K." To: Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Rebates Redux...A Good Read > This concerns the recent discussion of rebate woes at Office Max > etal...It appeared in today's NY Times Circuits column..Written by David > Pogue.. > Regards, > Mike Kochkodin > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/technology/circuits/17reba .html?8cir > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From jloyless@netbox.com Fri Apr 18 19:48:33 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] Upgrade path from 600X? Message-ID: <2.1-5957105-395-A-OEWW@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Bill - ThinkPads dot Com wrote: > T20 is a bit dated now, but much better than the X600 in > many instances.. > also, there are T23's available for about $1k+.. new, > sealed, full warranty.. I left my T23 over at my father's yesterday morning and was at home last night with just the 600X for a couple of hours. As much as I like my T23, I have to say that every time I use my 600X I realize how much better the keyboard on it is than the one on the T series. Time marches on, though, and it did seem a little slow. From Peter Machule" Customers Tire of Excuses for Rebates That Never Arrive By HOWARD MILLMAN HEROL DUVAL applied for an $89 rebate on a Canon printer she bought at Circuit City in 1998, but she has given up hope that it will ever materialize. Ms. Duval, who lives in Mount Vernon, N.Y., had more success with a $10 rebate for a CenDyne DVD player she bought at Radio Shack last November: after 14 weeks, it finally arrived. Ms. Duval's experiences put her in a league with the many consumers who have been tempted by rebate offers, which amounted to $10 billion last year, industry analysts say. Bargain-hunting customers attracted by promises of low prices "after mail-in rebate" take the trouble to cut out bar codes, photocopy sales receipts, fill out forms and mail all of it to the manufacturer or to a fulfillment house. Then they wait, sometimes futilely, for the rebate check. "After a year, I just give up on them," Ms. Duval said. Manufacturers that take too long to send out rebate checks sometimes attract the attention of the Federal Trade Commission. In 2002 the commission charged Philips Consumer Electronics of North America with unfair and deceptive practices. Philips had promised buyers of selected computer products, like CD drives, that they would receive a rebate within eight weeks. More than 50,000 Philips consumers waited six months or more for their rebates, and others never got theirs. As part of an agreement with the trade commission, Philips promised it would process future offers more promptly. Declines in the sales of some electronic and computer products have spurred an increase in the number of ads containing rebate offers. In 2002, 75 percent of the ads placed by retailers and software makers for products like word processing and spreadsheet programs contained offers of rebates, according to Roger Lanctot, an analyst with the Beyen Corporation, a market research firm based in Niagara Falls, N.Y. For highly competitive hardware components like hand-held organizers, ads offering rebates tripled last year. "Manufacturers have the better of two worlds when they use rebates," said Z. John Zhang, an associate professor of marketing at the University of Pennsylvania. "Rebates motivate consumers to buy at full price, and many consumers never send in their rebates for redemption." Peter Kastner, an analyst with the Aberdeen Group in Boston, agreed. "Although the low price prompts the purchase, approximately 60 percent of purchasers never get a rebate," he said. That includes customers who never file as well as those whose applications are rejected because they have not complied with an offer's conditions. Mr. Kastner, who described rebates as an "underregulated consumer swamp,'' suggested that people meticulously comply with the rebate form's requirements, giving manufacturers no reason to disqualify an application. That might include providing telephone numbers and the product's model and serial number, even when such information is printed on the sales receipt. Manufacturers contend that they need the information to reduce fraud. Still, some who have studied the industry say that the time-consuming process is designed to discourage consumers from applying for the rebates. Companies that process rebates as a service to the manufacturers "frequently tout their ability to run rebate promotions with a large face value but a low redemption rate," Mr. Zhang said. Manufacturers count on a low redemption rate, as do retailers, because they can advertise a discounted price but sell at full price and keep the difference. "It is a primary reason for using rebates instead of sales," Mr. Kastner said. "It also boggles the mind that otherwise upstanding product companies would pursue this tawdry strategy, which can alienate their consumers." Manufacturers and companies that process rebates say they are being blamed for problems they do not cause. "Consumers complain because they don't receive their rebates," said Frank Giordano, president of TCA Fulfillment Services in New Rochelle, N.Y. "Maybe that's because they didn't buy the right product, or bought it at the wrong time, or did not follow the submission rules." "Fulfillment houses have to wait to receive the rebate money from the manufacturers, and that can cause added delays," he said. TCA has an unsatisfactory rating with the Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan New York, with 110 complaints filed in the last 12 months. Mr. Giordano said that TCA had tried to resolve the complaints and had adopted new policies intended to prevent or quickly resolve future complaints. If a rebate is delayed, consumers can check for information at the manufacturer's Web site, or at sites that list rebate clearing houses, including trident.mcs.kent.edu /{tilde}wfan/rebate.html. Most major electronic chains, including Best Buy, Circuit City and CompUSA, offer toll-free phone numbers and customer service forms at their Web sites to handle rebate inquiries. Advertisement Most consumers, of course, simply want their $5 or $10 checks without having to expend further effort. When it takes months for a check to arrive, consumers feel frustrated, said Roger Kay, an analyst with IDC, a technology research firm. "After the sale, manufacturers have few incentives to accelerate rebate processing," Mr. Kay said. Some shoppers have found a way to transform one retailer's offer of a mail-in rebate into an instant rebate at a competitor's store. Rather than lose a sale, retailers will sometimes match a competitor's price, including a discount equivalent to any rebate offered. "This is not a new strategy,'' Mr. Kay said. "Merchants have matched competitors' prices on the fly for decades, maybe centuries." Sometimes dissatisfied customers run out of patience. Dave Scalf, a retired army officer in Taylor, Ariz., set out to receive $160 in three rebates for purchases made in October 2001. The retailer, the fulfillment service and the three manufacturers all told him it was not their responsibility to resolve the problem, he said. Frustrated, he wrote to the Rip-Off Report (www.ripoffreport.com), a consumer advocacy site. The site's operator, Ed Magedson, contacted the retailer, Fry's Electronics, which ultimately settled with Mr. Scalf. "When a customer buys a product with a rebate, the relationship is with the retailer, not with the manufacturer or a fulfillment house," Mr. Magedson said. "If the customer has a problem, it's up to the retailer to help make it right, not send him scurrying all over." Consumer dissatisfaction, the cost of processing complaints and the subsequent loss of good will have led Gateway Computers to eliminate rebates. "We have substantial data that shows rebates are not a good customer service strategy," said John Mastroccio, vice president for product management. Gateway now sets an inclusive price for each of its computer systems to reduce confusion and avoid rebate complaints. "The rebate strategy is flawed from inception," said Sean Wargo, the director of industry analysis for the Consumer Electronics Association, adding, "In the final analysis, those customers are simply not as desirable to a manufacturer as a customer willing to consistently pay full value." From David Ross" <0a2d01c305be$35eee680$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <003701c30625$f4e96940$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> > thanks for the link but i don't WANT to tell the NYTimes all > about me..! :-) Hmm. I don't know what the NYT asks for these days, but when I registered with them way back when they only wanted a name and eaddress (everything else was optional), and I've never seen evidence of them selling my address to anyone. I have to say, of all websites that ask for registration, the only ones where I do so without feeling put out are the major newspapers, since I acccept that they provide - for free - real content for which they had to pay hard currency, and however one feels about the quality of news nowadays I think it is still much more credible from the traditional media than from pure-internet sources. - David R. From sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 19 05:38:50 2003 From: sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk (Sanjoy Mahajan) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:38:50 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card Message-ID: After two years of my 560 not being able to use battery power or charge a battery, I finally got enough courage to replace the DC/DC card (had tested the battery pin voltages as per the HMM and found the battery was okay). The repair involved a stack of parts to take out and put back. To my surprise battery charging works fine, as does everything else. Except that a few keys no longer work: F11, F12, Insert, Delete, NumLk/ScrLk (I think), downarrow, rightarrow. F12 is bad to lose because of hibernation, but I use Linux and 'tpctl --hibernate' works as a replacement. Downarrow and rightarrow are often useful too. Insert/Delete/NumLk I never use. While I had the 560's gut all over the table, I cleaned 6 years of dust balls and tiny food particles from the keyboard with a (very slightly) damp paper towel and blowing under the keyboard. Could I have broken a keyboard wire trace while removing or cleaning the keyboard? Any other thoughts? If I broke a trace, following suggestions in this list from many years ago (1997) I might try conducting epoxy. I'd hate to have messed up the keyboard, since it's the finest keyboard I've used (even better than the old Sun Sparc keyboards), and one reason that I stay with the 560 series (my second laptop, just arrived, is a 560Z). -Sanjoy From David Ross" Message-ID: <000901c30636$ff0abbc0$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> > surprise battery charging works fine, as does everything else. Except > that a few keys no longer work: > > F11, F12, Insert, Delete, NumLk/ScrLk (I think), downarrow, rightarrow. First thing I would do is crack the case again and reseat all the cables. > keyboard? Any other thoughts? If I broke a trace, following > suggestions in this list from many years ago (1997) I might try > conducting epoxy. If it comes to that, go to a good electronics store (not Radio Shack), where you should be able to find circuit repair pens (from the same companies that make conducting epoxy). (You're in the UK - I used to buy this kind of stuff from a place called Combined Precision Components, or CPC, in Preston.) - David R. From Info@SYNass.NET Sat Apr 19 09:09:37 2003 From: Info@SYNass.NET (Info 4 SYNass) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:09:37 +0100 Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card Message-ID: <1050743377-0-Info@SYNass.NET> Hi, why don't you look for a spare KBD on eBay ? svobi sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk on 19.04.2003 06:38:50 To: thinkpad@stderr.org cc: Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card After two years of my 560 not being able to use battery power or charge a battery, I finally got enough courage to replace the DC/DC card (had tested the battery pin voltages as per the HMM and found the battery was okay). The repair involved a stack of parts to take out and put back. To my surprise battery charging works fine, as does everything else. Except that a few keys no longer work: F11, F12, Insert, Delete, NumLk/ScrLk (I think), downarrow, rightarrow. F12 is bad to lose because of hibernation, but I use Linux and 'tpctl --hibernate' works as a replacement. Downarrow and rightarrow are often useful too. Insert/Delete/NumLk I never use. While I had the 560's gut all over the table, I cleaned 6 years of dust balls and tiny food particles from the keyboard with a (very slightly) damp paper towel and blowing under the keyboard. Could I have broken a keyboard wire trace while removing or cleaning the keyboard? Any other thoughts? If I broke a trace, following suggestions in this list from many years ago (1997) I might try conducting epoxy. I'd hate to have messed up the keyboard, since it's the finest keyboard I've used (even better than the old Sun Sparc keyboards), and one reason that I stay with the 560 series (my second laptop, just arrived, is a 560Z). -Sanjoy _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad@stderr.org http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad ************************************************ >>> Say NO to HTML in Mail and News <<< >>> AGAINST TERROR +++ AGAINST WAR <<< ************************************************ From nacstocks@myrealbox.com Sat Apr 19 12:45:19 2003 From: nacstocks@myrealbox.com (Neal Coffman) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:45:19 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] A21e to A21p upgrade project - works, with a small snag - advice needed Message-ID: <1050752719.bc7487a0nacstocks@myrealbox.com> I am in the process of upgrading an A21e (celeron 700) to an A21P with a new system board (12P3291) and a micro-PGA PIII 850. I am using the A21e's existing 1024x768 screen. I work on Thinkpads from time to time, but mostly replacing parts on a one-for-one basis, so this one has me stumped. Everything works (will boot into Windows, correctly displays processor speed, cooling seems adequate, etc.) - EXCEPT that the LCD only displays a compressed image in the lower left third of the screen, rather than a full screen image. This is not a driver issue, as it occurs before on POST right after power-on before any drivers are even loaded. It is also not a dead LCD, as I just watched it work with the other motherboard and the same sub card. Again, I am using the 1024X768 XGA 15" screen from the A21e. I have noticed that there are no A21ps with this resolution, but shouldn't The Rage Mobility 128 be able to adjust for that? I am using the sub card from the A21e, which I figured would work since the screen is the same (am I wrong on that, and if so, would an A21P sub card which is presumably designed to operate a 1600X1200 screen work with the XGA screen? I may have to just get an A21m motherboard, but I only have a few bucks in the A21P board, EVERYTHING else works, and I would really like to keep the better video card if possible. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Neal From nacstocks@myrealbox.com Sat Apr 19 12:45:31 2003 From: nacstocks@myrealbox.com (Neal Coffman) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:45:31 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] A21e to A21p upgrade project - works, with a small snag - advice needed Message-ID: <1050752731.bc7487a0nacstocks@myrealbox.com> I am in the process of upgrading an A21e (celeron 700) to an A21P with a new system board (12P3291) and a micro-PGA PIII 850. I am using the A21e's existing 1024x768 screen. I work on Thinkpads from time to time, but mostly replacing parts on a one-for-one basis, so this one has me stumped. Everything works (will boot into Windows, correctly displays processor speed, cooling seems adequate, etc.) - EXCEPT that the LCD only displays a compressed image in the lower left third of the screen, rather than a full screen image. This is not a driver issue, as it occurs before on POST right after power-on before any drivers are even loaded. It is also not a dead LCD, as I just watched it work with the other motherboard and the same sub card. Again, I am using the 1024X768 XGA 15" screen from the A21e. I have noticed that there are no A21ps with this resolution, but shouldn't The Rage Mobility 128 be able to adjust for that? I am using the sub card from the A21e, which I figured would work since the screen is the same (am I wrong on that, and if so, would an A21P sub card which is presumably designed to operate a 1600X1200 screen work with the XGA screen? I may have to just get an A21m motherboard, but I only have a few bucks in the A21P board, EVERYTHING else works, and I would really like to keep the better video card if possible. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Neal From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 19 14:55:20 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:55:20 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card References: Message-ID: <000e01c3067b$51c1b820$7700a8c0@3ComC> You probably don't have the ribbon cable all the way seated. Re-seat it. Worst case, pick up a keyboard on Ebay. They are cheap ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanjoy Mahajan" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:38 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card > After two years of my 560 not being able to use battery power or > charge a battery, I finally got enough courage to replace the DC/DC > card (had tested the battery pin voltages as per the HMM and found the > battery was okay). > > The repair involved a stack of parts to take out and put back. To my > surprise battery charging works fine, as does everything else. Except > that a few keys no longer work: > > F11, F12, Insert, Delete, NumLk/ScrLk (I think), downarrow, rightarrow. > > F12 is bad to lose because of hibernation, but I use Linux and 'tpctl > --hibernate' works as a replacement. Downarrow and rightarrow are > often useful too. Insert/Delete/NumLk I never use. > > While I had the 560's gut all over the table, I cleaned 6 years of > dust balls and tiny food particles from the keyboard with a (very > slightly) damp paper towel and blowing under the keyboard. Could I > have broken a keyboard wire trace while removing or cleaning the > keyboard? Any other thoughts? If I broke a trace, following > suggestions in this list from many years ago (1997) I might try > conducting epoxy. > > I'd hate to have messed up the keyboard, since it's the finest > keyboard I've used (even better than the old Sun Sparc keyboards), and > one reason that I stay with the 560 series (my second laptop, just > arrived, is a 560Z). > > -Sanjoy > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sat Apr 19 14:57:57 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:57:57 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] A21e to A21p upgrade project - works, with a small snag - advice needed References: <1050752731.bc7487a0nacstocks@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <002801c3067b$aed45180$7700a8c0@3ComC> If you look at the mobo's for sale on Ebay, they do seem to be specific as to which LCD they work with. Probably incompatible with your unit. It is also possible that the REASON that Mobo was pulled is that the video card is bad!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Coffman" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] A21e to A21p upgrade project - works, with a small snag - advice needed > I am in the process of upgrading an A21e (celeron 700) to an A21P with a new system board (12P3291) and a micro-PGA PIII 850. I am using the A21e's existing 1024x768 screen. I work on Thinkpads from time to time, but mostly replacing parts on a one-for-one basis, so this one has me stumped. > > Everything works (will boot into Windows, correctly displays processor speed, cooling seems adequate, etc.) - EXCEPT that the LCD only displays a compressed image in the lower left third of the screen, rather than a full screen image. This is not a driver issue, as it occurs before on POST right after power-on before any drivers are even loaded. It is also not a dead LCD, as I just watched it work with the other motherboard and the same sub card. > > Again, I am using the 1024X768 XGA 15" screen from the A21e. I have noticed that there are no A21ps with this resolution, but shouldn't The Rage Mobility 128 be able to adjust for that? I am using the sub card from the A21e, which I figured would work since the screen is the same (am I wrong on that, and if so, would an A21P sub card which is presumably designed to operate a 1600X1200 screen work with the XGA screen? > > I may have to just get an A21m motherboard, but I only have a few bucks in the A21P board, EVERYTHING else works, and I would really like to keep the better video card if possible. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. > > Neal > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From w.lueders@mchsi.com Sat Apr 19 17:48:00 2003 From: w.lueders@mchsi.com (William Lueders) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:48:00 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] 128mb memory for 560Z Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419113804.00a389a0@mail.mchsi.com> --=======229E3D0======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40E7171C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I understand that there is a 128mb memory stick that will fit in my 560Z (2640 B0U) bringing total installed memory to 192mb total (64 is on MOBO). I also understand that these are hard to find and expensive. If any of you know where I might find one and/or the specs on what I am looking for I would appreciate hearing from you. I need the extra "umph" in the unit that the additional memory will provide. I find the 560 is the travel unit I prefer as the weight and size are almost perfect. I love the keyboard and the resolution on the output is perfect for Power Point presentations on a projector. If I can locate this memory upgrade I intend to add a 48Gig HDD also. The combination should make the unit workable and usable for at least another two or three years. Thanks for any help. Bill Lueders lueders@attglobal.net wlueders@mchsi.com lueders@destin.com --=======229E3D0======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40E7171C Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --=======229E3D0=======-- From jberry@islandnet.com Sat Apr 19 21:32:47 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:32:47 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Rebates Redux...A Good Read ..... the actual text References: Message-ID: Thanks for the good read, Peter. I never got a rebate from Philips for a Compact Fluorescent light bulb that I bought almost a decade ago. Intereting to see in print that they were tapped by the FTC. I have also voted with my wallet against ATI after a rebate failed to materialize. Otherwise, I've had no probs with mail-in rebates. Except the concept! -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ From stevec50@yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 23:52:51 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] Rebates Redux...A Good Read ..... the actual text In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030419225251.79401.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> So that's why OfficeMax and BestBuy never pay me any of the rebates, I'm not a desirable a customer! --- Peter Machule wrote: > Customers Tire of Excuses for Rebates That Never > Arrive __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk Sun Apr 20 00:33:22 2003 From: bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk (Mark S Penrice) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:33:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles Message-ID: Well I'm about to go off and search the archives after discovering and subscribing to this list, but being a believer in not getting if you don't ask (and time being precious) I may as well be cheeky and pick some brains... :) Being a student I was on the lookout for a cheap, moderately capable and not too bulky laptop (modern ones are just too huge, apart from the dinky widescreen.. and expensive/discontinued Vaios). Found quite a prize on Ebay, a 701CS, not quite powerful enough to play mp3s or full screen video, and maybe borderline for putting win98 on, but otherwise great in every other way (and I'm working on the multimedia/32bit stuff). It came with an ethernet setup, but this was lacking drivers and the machine didn't have a floppy drive.. connnecting the hard disc with a 3.5 inch converter to a desktop is where my troubles started. First a small knock broke some solder traces in the video hardware and disabled the LCD (now ham-fistedly resoldered, but how long will it last? :), the battery has quickly died from holding about a half hour to five minutes (oh well)... and all the tiny little soldered pins connecting the PCMCIA-style plug to the ribbon cable in the hard disk caddy quickly fatiugued and sproinged apart, so now the disc will spin, briefly, but not work at all inside the 'pad. My questions for the learned ones therefore are: * Where are good, inexpensive sources (in the UK or nearby euro places if at all possible) for replacement battery/battery bits or reconditioning? Details of self build or refresh on the battery would be nice (yes, you can disclaimer/waiver it), it's only NiCad plus maybe some low level electronics (thermistor etc) after all. Made a replacement for another laptop before but this one is a little less obvious and a little harder to dissect than that one - which was little more than six C-size cells and a charging thermistor in a not-quite-opaque, not-fully-enclosed shrinkwrap. The IBM one is a mysterious black stick.. * Similarly, and more pressing, sources for a hard disc caddy.. or just the cable for it.. or something even remotely compatible. Even just tools to repair it better than my soldering iron - suddenly it's "fine" tip that was OK for putting the video intermediate socket back on the board seems so huge. Would a PCMCIA hard disc be bootable without much faffing? * Any cross compatibilities between the 701 and other models for these (even non-IBM) would be nice to know, as looking on eBay, etc, has shown 701 bits from anywhere but fairly expensive (over the price of the laptop :) resellers are like droppings from a rubber chicken.. whereas you can hardly move for parts from 300s, 500s, 600s, 700s, and Toshibas/Dells/Compaqs etc from the same era. * Ditto that with floppy drives (or even CDROM). Have a feeling that a large number of externals from 300 thru 700 have potential to work with that mini-centronics socket, or even Toshiba etc drives that have the same shape connection, but not really any way to check for certain without splashing the precious green. This isn't really so much of a problem what with the ethernet, hard disc converter, or even the port expander if I can reconstruct the old parallel zip drive, but would make life a whole lot easier. * What's the largest disc that can be put in the 701? Even if it has to be locked down to 16/63/1024 and an overlay used. Currently it has a 540, which seemed to be just about the right size if i was conservative, but not much room for extra stuff in the future or a new OS. I know 340 and 740mb can be used, but looking enviously in the direction of a 2gb (as my dad has a spare) or larger... I wonder if it can be convinced to run XP just for the hell of it. * Similarly what's the largest RAM it can be convinced to use, replacement old RAM chips aren't too expensive so it'd be the limit rather than cash deciding what OS I might choose. Currently it has 24mb (8+16), which is ample for the 3.1 install it has, pretty good for 95, and a potential bottleneck in 98.. 40mb (8+32) would be more comfortable, 72mb (8+64) fantastic. (yeah.. this is the laziest question :) * Oh yeah.. any way to clock the board up to 33mhz rather than 25 for a bit of sweet 100mhz lovin'? Short of changing the actual clock crystal and some ICs :/ Um.. nearly forgot, one more question - is the soundsystem on the 701 generally a bit messed up and fragile? The noise level is quite dire even though I can't see it being a system with a large amount of RF to throw around, and only mono sound works properly... stereo only plays the left channel, in a somewhat scratchy style, no matter what output is used - which is just -strange-. Maybe it's supposed to be like that (designed for mono), maybe a wideranging IRQ or driver conflict.. maybe it's damaged. Any clues? So far I've invested in torx drivers, done a full investigative stripdown, almost totally destroyed a borrowed crochetting hook and jewellers screwdriver retrieving and re-attaching the ludicrously strong spring for the folding keyboard, relearnt how to solder for the video, done some quite wierd things involving wood dowelling and masking tape (amongst others) trying to solderlessly repair the disc cable, scoured ebay and the rest of the net, deconstructed a desktop PC just to transfer files, and even learnt the dirty, twisted details of win3.1 networking in order to get this thing working as much as it currently is - so I'm psyched to go the rest of the way if only the info can be found (and the cash...!) Thanks for any help you can fling my way... -mp right, now to go browse the archives! From Tom A. Trottier" Message-ID: <3EA1AD08.6405.7208B81@localhost> As a proud owner of 2 1/2 701s (what a great name to sit on), I can only offer you the following advice: Buy more 701s for spare parts I have a 5.4 GB disk that works well, and I am told up to 6.4 GB can be accomodated with the current bios. However, I also think that the sky is the limit when using Disk Manager or W2K. There is an HP floppy which will attach and work. I have attached an IBM CDROM with a PCMCIA interface. On ebay, cuiinc in BC is selling a 64 MB RAM board regularly. See http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413340176&category=31573 and people say it works. 32MB is cheaper. S/he also sells MB upgrades which have a pentium-class CPU. See http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413340196&category=3715 tOM On Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 0:33 Mark S Penrice wrote: > Well I'm about to go off and search the archives after discovering and > subscribing to this list, but being a believer in not getting if you don't > ask (and time being precious) I may as well be cheeky and pick some > brains... :) > > Being a student I was on the lookout for a cheap, moderately capable and > not too bulky laptop (modern ones are just too huge, apart from the dinky > widescreen.. and expensive/discontinued Vaios). Found quite a prize on > Ebay, a 701CS, not quite powerful enough to play mp3s or full screen > video, and maybe borderline for putting win98 on, but otherwise great in > every other way (and I'm working on the multimedia/32bit stuff). > > It came with an ethernet setup, but this was lacking drivers and the > machine didn't have a floppy drive.. connnecting the hard disc with a 3.5 > inch converter to a desktop is where my troubles started. First a small > knock broke some solder traces in the video hardware and disabled the LCD > (now ham-fistedly resoldered, but how long will it last? :), the battery > has quickly died from holding about a half hour to five minutes (oh > well)... and all the tiny little soldered pins connecting the PCMCIA-style > plug to the ribbon cable in the hard disk caddy quickly fatiugued and > sproinged apart, so now the disc will spin, briefly, but not work at all > inside the 'pad. > > My questions for the learned ones therefore are: > * Where are good, inexpensive sources (in the UK or nearby euro places if > at all possible) for replacement battery/battery bits or reconditioning? > Details of self build or refresh on the battery would be nice (yes, you > can disclaimer/waiver it), it's only NiCad plus maybe some low level > electronics (thermistor etc) after all. Made a replacement for another > laptop before but this one is a little less obvious and a little harder to > dissect than that one - which was little more than six C-size cells and a > charging thermistor in a not-quite-opaque, not-fully-enclosed shrinkwrap. > The IBM one is a mysterious black stick.. > > * Similarly, and more pressing, sources for a hard disc caddy.. or just > the cable for it.. or something even remotely compatible. Even just tools > to repair it better than my soldering iron - suddenly it's "fine" tip that > was OK for putting the video intermediate socket back on the board seems > so huge. > Would a PCMCIA hard disc be bootable without much faffing? > > * Any cross compatibilities between the 701 and other models for these > (even non-IBM) would be nice to know, as looking on eBay, etc, has shown > 701 bits from anywhere but fairly expensive (over the price of the laptop > :) resellers are like droppings from a rubber chicken.. whereas you can > hardly move for parts from 300s, 500s, 600s, 700s, and Toshibas/Dells/Compaqs > etc from the same era. > > * Ditto that with floppy drives (or even CDROM). Have a feeling that a > large number of externals from 300 thru 700 have potential to work with > that mini-centronics socket, or even Toshiba etc drives that have the same > shape connection, but not really any way to check for certain without > splashing the precious green. This isn't really so much of a problem what > with the ethernet, hard disc converter, or even the port expander if I can > reconstruct the old parallel zip drive, but would make life a whole lot > easier. > > * What's the largest disc that can be put in the 701? Even if it has to be > locked down to 16/63/1024 and an overlay used. Currently it has a 540, > which seemed to be just about the right size if i was conservative, but > not much room for extra stuff in the future or a new OS. I know 340 and > 740mb can be used, but looking enviously in the direction of a 2gb (as my > dad has a spare) or larger... I wonder if it can be convinced to run XP > just for the hell of it. > > * Similarly what's the largest RAM it can be convinced to use, replacement > old RAM chips aren't too expensive so it'd be the limit rather than cash > deciding what OS I might choose. Currently it has 24mb (8+16), which is > ample for the 3.1 install it has, pretty good for 95, and a potential > bottleneck in 98.. 40mb (8+32) would be more comfortable, 72mb (8+64) > fantastic. (yeah.. this is the laziest question :) > > * Oh yeah.. any way to clock the board up to 33mhz rather than 25 for a > bit of sweet 100mhz lovin'? Short of changing the actual clock crystal and > some ICs :/ > > > Um.. nearly forgot, one more question - is the soundsystem on the 701 > generally a bit messed up and fragile? The noise level is quite dire even > though I can't see it being a system with a large amount of RF to throw > around, and only mono sound works properly... stereo only plays the left > channel, in a somewhat scratchy style, no matter what output is used - > which is just -strange-. Maybe it's supposed to be like that (designed for > mono), maybe a wideranging IRQ or driver conflict.. maybe it's damaged. > Any clues? > > So far I've invested in torx drivers, done a full investigative stripdown, > almost totally destroyed a borrowed crochetting hook and jewellers > screwdriver retrieving and re-attaching the ludicrously strong spring for > the folding keyboard, relearnt how to solder for the video, done some > quite wierd things involving wood dowelling and masking tape (amongst > others) trying to solderlessly repair the disc cable, scoured ebay and > the rest of the net, deconstructed a desktop PC just to transfer files, > and even learnt the dirty, twisted details of win3.1 networking in order > to get this thing working as much as it currently is - so I'm psyched to > go the rest of the way if only the info can be found (and the cash...!) > > Thanks for any help you can fling my way... > > -mp > > > right, now to go browse the archives! > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > --------- 2003 Jun 28-30 in Ottawa:http://www.CanadianCameraConference.ca tOM Trottier, ICQ:57647974 http://abacurial.com 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 N45.412 W75.714 "The moment one gives close attention to anything, even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious, awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself -- Henry Miller, 1891-1980 From Anuj.Goyal@Siebel.com Sun Apr 20 02:56:45 2003 From: Anuj.Goyal@Siebel.com (Anuj Goyal) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:56:45 -0600 Subject: [Thinkpad] Gentoo on Thinkpad 240x Message-ID: <35E814F6D022FD44B1DBB75CB1A3DD4BEC1808@SDCEXMB01.corp.siebel.com> Does anyone have Gentoo Linux running on a Thinkpad 240x? I need some help! From raybay@broadcast.net Sun Apr 20 03:23:53 2003 From: raybay@broadcast.net (RayBay) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:23:53 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600X - 650 MHz References: <35E814F6D022FD44B1DBB75CB1A3DD4BEC1808@SDCEXMB01.corp.siebel.com> Message-ID: <3EA204B9.14B2E22E@broadcast.net> I am hoping somebody on the list can tell me the full IBM type number for the Thinkpad 600X 650 MHz. Then I am hoping to track one down for purchase. Ray From jloyless@netbox.com Sun Apr 20 03:59:49 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600X - 650 MHz In-Reply-To: <3EA204B9.14B2E22E@broadcast.net> References: <35E814F6D022FD44B1DBB75CB1A3DD4BEC1808@SDCEXMB01.corp.siebel.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030419225949.011cda40@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:23 PM 04/19/2003 -0700, RayBay wrote: >I am hoping somebody on the list can tell me the full IBM type number >for the Thinkpad 600X 650 MHz. > Should be able to find it here: 3) Can someone tell me __________ about model _________? ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ tabook/tawbook - A/T/X series tbook/twbook - 2xx, 3xx, 5xx, 600, 7xx, 8xx series tibook/tiwbook - i series trbook/trwbook - R series From gyanos@uic.edu Sun Apr 20 04:47:57 2003 From: gyanos@uic.edu (George Yanos) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Thinkpad] 600X - 650 MHz In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20030419225949.011cda40@pop.mindspring.com> References: <35E814F6D022FD44B1DBB75CB1A3DD4BEC1808@SDCEXMB01.corp.siebel.com> <3.0.1.32.20030419225949.011cda40@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <16034.6253.336025.634419@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Another sometimes interesting place to look is: http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/ussman then put some keywords in and do a search. Thinkpad 600x worked in this case. >>>>> "Jane" == Jane Loyless writes: Jane> At 07:23 PM 04/19/2003 -0700, RayBay wrote: >> I am hoping somebody on the list can tell me the full IBM type number >> for the Thinkpad 600X 650 MHz. >> Jane> Should be able to find it here: Jane> 3) Can someone tell me __________ about model _________? Jane> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ -- ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From levanger@comcast.net Sun Apr 20 06:03:28 2003 From: levanger@comcast.net (John Levanger) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] re: IBM 600X (650Mhz) Message-ID: <001b01c306fa$2ee053f0$6401a8c0@beasst> Seeing how everyone says to look it up yourself, here's the model numbers, hope this helps. 2645-5FU (Model came with Win 98) 2645-9FU (Model came with Win2K) John Levanger Savannah, Georgia "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <0be801c30719$ddc11020$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> hmm.. i always KNEW that, along with my confederate money, my stash of thinkpad 701's and parts and so forth would, one day, become valuable enough to push my retirement fund over the top and into the valley (silicon though i prefer napa or livermore) and reach $10k.. :-) and YES, virginia, there IS a 64meg part.. and, wondering about OS's, win95b is the best for this beast.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark S Penrice" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles > Well I'm about to go off and search the archives after discovering and > subscribing to this list, but being a believer in not getting if you don't > ask (and time being precious) I may as well be cheeky and pick some > brains... :) > > Being a student I was on the lookout for a cheap, moderately capable and > not too bulky laptop (modern ones are just too huge, apart from the dinky > widescreen.. and expensive/discontinued Vaios). Found quite a prize on > Ebay, a 701CS, not quite powerful enough to play mp3s or full screen > video, and maybe borderline for putting win98 on, but otherwise great in > every other way (and I'm working on the multimedia/32bit stuff). > > It came with an ethernet setup, but this was lacking drivers and the > machine didn't have a floppy drive.. connnecting the hard disc with a 3.5 > inch converter to a desktop is where my troubles started. First a small > knock broke some solder traces in the video hardware and disabled the LCD > (now ham-fistedly resoldered, but how long will it last? :), the battery > has quickly died from holding about a half hour to five minutes (oh > well)... and all the tiny little soldered pins connecting the PCMCIA-style > plug to the ribbon cable in the hard disk caddy quickly fatiugued and > sproinged apart, so now the disc will spin, briefly, but not work at all > inside the 'pad. > > My questions for the learned ones therefore are: > * Where are good, inexpensive sources (in the UK or nearby euro places if > at all possible) for replacement battery/battery bits or reconditioning? > Details of self build or refresh on the battery would be nice (yes, you > can disclaimer/waiver it), it's only NiCad plus maybe some low level > electronics (thermistor etc) after all. Made a replacement for another > laptop before but this one is a little less obvious and a little harder to > dissect than that one - which was little more than six C-size cells and a > charging thermistor in a not-quite-opaque, not-fully-enclosed shrinkwrap. > The IBM one is a mysterious black stick.. this is reputed to be a smart battery, so there might be a bit more than you expect (pandora like) when you open it.. i have some NOS batteries and one charger/conditioner (not for sale).. > > * Similarly, and more pressing, sources for a hard disc caddy.. or just > the cable for it.. or something even remotely compatible. Even just tools > to repair it better than my soldering iron - suddenly it's "fine" tip that > was OK for putting the video intermediate socket back on the board seems > so huge. i have these but the cost would be prohibitive.. that cable was not easy or cheap.. > Would a PCMCIA hard disc be bootable without much faffing? not likely.. > > * Any cross compatibilities between the 701 and other models for these > (even non-IBM) would be nice to know, as looking on eBay, etc, has shown > 701 bits from anywhere but fairly expensive (over the price of the laptop > :) resellers are like droppings from a rubber chicken.. whereas you can > hardly move for parts from 300s, 500s, 600s, 700s, and Toshibas/Dells/Compaqs > etc from the same era. little that is cross-pollinatable (is that a word?).. surprised to hear an h/p floppy will plug up and operate.. (see other reply) > > * Ditto that with floppy drives (or even CDROM). Have a feeling that a > large number of externals from 300 thru 700 have potential to work with > that mini-centronics socket, or even Toshiba etc drives that have the same > shape connection, but not really any way to check for certain without > splashing the precious green. This isn't really so much of a problem what > with the ethernet, hard disc converter, or even the port expander if I can > reconstruct the old parallel zip drive, but would make life a whole lot > easier. > > * What's the largest disc that can be put in the 701? Even if it has to be > locked down to 16/63/1024 and an overlay used. Currently it has a 540, > which seemed to be just about the right size if i was conservative, but > not much room for extra stuff in the future or a new OS. I know 340 and > 740mb can be used, but looking enviously in the direction of a 2gb (as my > dad has a spare) or larger... I wonder if it can be convinced to run XP > just for the hell of it. 6gig, more or less, given the variations on this theme.. > > * Similarly what's the largest RAM it can be convinced to use, replacement > old RAM chips aren't too expensive so it'd be the limit rather than cash > deciding what OS I might choose. Currently it has 24mb (8+16), which is > ample for the 3.1 install it has, pretty good for 95, and a potential > bottleneck in 98.. 40mb (8+32) would be more comfortable, 72mb (8+64) > fantastic. (yeah.. this is the laziest question :) the 64 will yeily 64.. yup.. or so i have been told.. > > * Oh yeah.. any way to clock the board up to 33mhz rather than 25 for a > bit of sweet 100mhz lovin'? Short of changing the actual clock crystal and > some ICs :/ dunno.. you got the earlier 701.. 486/50.. > > > Um.. nearly forgot, one more question - is the soundsystem on the 701 > generally a bit messed up and fragile? The noise level is quite dire even > though I can't see it being a system with a large amount of RF to throw > around, and only mono sound works properly... stereo only plays the left > channel, in a somewhat scratchy style, no matter what output is used - > which is just -strange-. Maybe it's supposed to be like that (designed for > mono), maybe a wideranging IRQ or driver conflict.. maybe it's damaged. > Any clues? the original sound and mic were excellent for the day.. you have a problem-sound-system... > > So far I've invested in torx drivers, done a full investigative stripdown, > almost totally destroyed a borrowed crochetting hook and jewellers > screwdriver retrieving and re-attaching the ludicrously strong spring for > the folding keyboard, relearnt how to solder for the video, done some > quite wierd things involving wood dowelling and masking tape (amongst > others) trying to solderlessly repair the disc cable, scoured ebay and > the rest of the net, deconstructed a desktop PC just to transfer files, > and even learnt the dirty, twisted details of win3.1 networking in order > to get this thing working as much as it currently is - so I'm psyched to > go the rest of the way if only the info can be found (and the cash...!) > > Thanks for any help you can fling my way... > yourwelcome.. lookout for falling rocks.. :-) > -mp > > > right, now to go browse the archives! > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From mancinel@di.univaq.it Sun Apr 20 13:39:13 2003 From: mancinel@di.univaq.it (Fabio Mancinelli) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Strange noises from my A31 hard disk... Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I have just bought a Thinkpad A31 and my HITACH Dk23DA hard disk has begun to make strange noises. Like if it tries to continously park its head after each read or write. I visited the IBM support site and I found a firmware update which should solve the problem but the installer says that the HD firmware does not need to be updated. Does anyone has this problem? Is my HD broken? Thank you. A presto, Fabio - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabio Mancinelli, PhD student EMail : mancinel@di.univaq.it Dipartimento di Informatica WWW : http://www.di.univaq.it/~mancinel Universita' dell'Aquila - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iD8DBQE+opT56dsQbk2R3cMRAoLPAKD4Y9ho4LVM/dYAg/wFZoAH7j9f9gCgyMdF mucjaUFCiZfBM0P7y47qq1Y= =4aYs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mg_list@gmx.de Sun Apr 20 14:22:06 2003 From: mg_list@gmx.de (Martin Girschick) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:22:06 +0200 Subject: [Thinkpad] Re: Strange noises from my A31 hard disk... In-Reply-To: <20030420124833.26510.19416.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> References: <20030420124833.26510.19416.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: >Does anyone has this problem? Is my HD broken? Download the diagnostic tool from the Hitachi/IBM Website: http://www.hgst.com. Run the diagnostics there and listen whether your drive makes the noises while the test runs, if yes check the output of the tool - my Hitachi-Drive of my Thinkpad R32 was broken when it arrived and made very strange noises (although it worked, but the tool reported irreparable errors). From mitchell_yee@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 17:13:49 2003 From: mitchell_yee@yahoo.com (Mitchell Yee) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] re: IBM 600X (650Mhz) In-Reply-To: <001b01c306fa$2ee053f0$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: <20030420161349.67429.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Just to give you a data point - my wholesaler is asking $549 for the 2645-9FU (128M, 24xCD, 12 GB HD), off-lease. I'd suspect you can do better on ebay. Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 17:24:21 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] re: IBM 600X (650Mhz) References: <001b01c306fa$2ee053f0$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: <000f01c30759$4d37eb60$7700a8c0@3ComC> I have a mint 500MHZ for sale - looking for a good home! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Levanger" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Forum" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: [Thinkpad] re: IBM 600X (650Mhz) > Seeing how everyone says to look it up yourself, here's the model numbers, > hope this helps. > > 2645-5FU (Model came with Win 98) > 2645-9FU (Model came with Win2K) > > John Levanger > Savannah, Georgia > "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand > ready to do violence on their behalf." > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 17:27:48 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles References: <0be801c30719$ddc11020$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <002101c30759$c8938260$7700a8c0@3ComC> Now, I've been keeping quiet about this one, but.... With the price of a 570 being as low as around $200 on Ebay with a 12.1" screen and at least a P2 300 And I even have some 600 series around with the P233 and the 12.1 dual scan screen that I can't even give away... What in the world is the point of the 701? I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really run moden software or OS, is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has a small dim screen... It was innovative for it's time, but it's time passed ages ago! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" To: "Mark S Penrice" ; Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles > hmm.. > > i always KNEW that, along with my confederate money, my > stash of thinkpad 701's and parts and so forth would, one > day, become valuable enough to push my retirement fund over > the top and into the valley (silicon though i prefer napa or > livermore) and reach $10k.. > > :-) > > and YES, virginia, there IS a 64meg part.. > > and, wondering about OS's, win95b is the best for this > beast.. > > > ******************* > Cordially, > Bill Morrow > (from NetFinity Server) > web page: http://www.thinkpads.com > bill@thinkpads.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark S Penrice" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:33 PM > Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles > > > > Well I'm about to go off and search the archives after > discovering and > > subscribing to this list, but being a believer in not > getting if you don't > > ask (and time being precious) I may as well be cheeky and > pick some > > brains... :) > > > > Being a student I was on the lookout for a cheap, > moderately capable and > > not too bulky laptop (modern ones are just too huge, apart > from the dinky > > widescreen.. and expensive/discontinued Vaios). Found > quite a prize on > > Ebay, a 701CS, not quite powerful enough to play mp3s or > full screen > > video, and maybe borderline for putting win98 on, but > otherwise great in > > every other way (and I'm working on the multimedia/32bit > stuff). > > > > It came with an ethernet setup, but this was lacking > drivers and the > > machine didn't have a floppy drive.. connnecting the hard > disc with a 3.5 > > inch converter to a desktop is where my troubles started. > First a small > > knock broke some solder traces in the video hardware and > disabled the LCD > > (now ham-fistedly resoldered, but how long will it last? > :), the battery > > has quickly died from holding about a half hour to five > minutes (oh > > well)... and all the tiny little soldered pins connecting > the PCMCIA-style > > plug to the ribbon cable in the hard disk caddy quickly > fatiugued and > > sproinged apart, so now the disc will spin, briefly, but > not work at all > > inside the 'pad. > > > > My questions for the learned ones therefore are: > > * Where are good, inexpensive sources (in the UK or nearby > euro places if > > at all possible) for replacement battery/battery bits or > reconditioning? > > Details of self build or refresh on the battery would be > nice (yes, you > > can disclaimer/waiver it), it's only NiCad plus maybe some > low level > > electronics (thermistor etc) after all. Made a replacement > for another > > laptop before but this one is a little less obvious and a > little harder to > > dissect than that one - which was little more than six > C-size cells and a > > charging thermistor in a not-quite-opaque, > not-fully-enclosed shrinkwrap. > > The IBM one is a mysterious black stick.. > > this is reputed to be a smart battery, so there might be a > bit more than you expect (pandora like) when you open it.. > i have some NOS batteries and one charger/conditioner (not > for sale).. > > > > > > * Similarly, and more pressing, sources for a hard disc > caddy.. or just > > the cable for it.. or something even remotely compatible. > Even just tools > > to repair it better than my soldering iron - suddenly it's > "fine" tip that > > was OK for putting the video intermediate socket back on > the board seems > > so huge. > > i have these but the cost would be prohibitive.. > that cable was not easy or cheap.. > > > > > Would a PCMCIA hard disc be bootable without much faffing? > > not likely.. > > > > > > * Any cross compatibilities between the 701 and other > models for these > > (even non-IBM) would be nice to know, as looking on eBay, > etc, has shown > > 701 bits from anywhere but fairly expensive (over the > price of the laptop > > :) resellers are like droppings from a rubber chicken.. > whereas you can > > hardly move for parts from 300s, 500s, 600s, 700s, and > Toshibas/Dells/Compaqs > > etc from the same era. > > little that is cross-pollinatable (is that a word?).. > surprised to hear an h/p floppy will plug up and operate.. > (see other reply) > > > > > > * Ditto that with floppy drives (or even CDROM). Have a > feeling that a > > large number of externals from 300 thru 700 have potential > to work with > > that mini-centronics socket, or even Toshiba etc drives > that have the same > > shape connection, but not really any way to check for > certain without > > splashing the precious green. This isn't really so much of > a problem what > > with the ethernet, hard disc converter, or even the port > expander if I can > > reconstruct the old parallel zip drive, but would make > life a whole lot > > easier. > > > > * What's the largest disc that can be put in the 701? Even > if it has to be > > locked down to 16/63/1024 and an overlay used. Currently > it has a 540, > > which seemed to be just about the right size if i was > conservative, but > > not much room for extra stuff in the future or a new OS. I > know 340 and > > 740mb can be used, but looking enviously in the direction > of a 2gb (as my > > dad has a spare) or larger... I wonder if it can be > convinced to run XP > > just for the hell of it. > > 6gig, more or less, given the variations on this theme.. > > > > > > * Similarly what's the largest RAM it can be convinced to > use, replacement > > old RAM chips aren't too expensive so it'd be the limit > rather than cash > > deciding what OS I might choose. Currently it has 24mb > (8+16), which is > > ample for the 3.1 install it has, pretty good for 95, and > a potential > > bottleneck in 98.. 40mb (8+32) would be more comfortable, > 72mb (8+64) > > fantastic. (yeah.. this is the laziest question :) > > the 64 will yeily 64.. > yup.. > or so i have been told.. > > > > > > * Oh yeah.. any way to clock the board up to 33mhz rather > than 25 for a > > bit of sweet 100mhz lovin'? Short of changing the actual > clock crystal and > > some ICs :/ > > dunno.. > you got the earlier 701.. > 486/50.. > > > > > > > > Um.. nearly forgot, one more question - is the soundsystem > on the 701 > > generally a bit messed up and fragile? The noise level is > quite dire even > > though I can't see it being a system with a large amount > of RF to throw > > around, and only mono sound works properly... stereo only > plays the left > > channel, in a somewhat scratchy style, no matter what > output is used - > > which is just -strange-. Maybe it's supposed to be like > that (designed for > > mono), maybe a wideranging IRQ or driver conflict.. maybe > it's damaged. > > Any clues? > > the original sound and mic were excellent for the day.. > you have a problem-sound-system... > > > > > > So far I've invested in torx drivers, done a full > investigative stripdown, > > almost totally destroyed a borrowed crochetting hook and > jewellers > > screwdriver retrieving and re-attaching the ludicrously > strong spring for > > the folding keyboard, relearnt how to solder for the > video, done some > > quite wierd things involving wood dowelling and masking > tape (amongst > > others) trying to solderlessly repair the disc cable, > scoured ebay and > > the rest of the net, deconstructed a desktop PC just to > transfer files, > > and even learnt the dirty, twisted details of win3.1 > networking in order > > to get this thing working as much as it currently is - so > I'm psyched to > > go the rest of the way if only the info can be found (and > the cash...!) > > > > Thanks for any help you can fling my way... > > > > yourwelcome.. > lookout for falling rocks.. :-) > > > > -mp > > > > > > right, now to go browse the archives! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Peter Machule" http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 nice deal ... only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... ..peter... From domi@kenavo.fi Sun Apr 20 17:40:42 2003 From: domi@kenavo.fi (Dominique Pivard) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:40:42 +0300 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200304201645.h3KGjK307068@nalle.netsonic.fi> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 09:27 AM you, "Peter Machule" , said: >http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 They sell it as "2648LU7": any idea what the real code is? T23's are 2647 as far as I can see and neither LU7 nor 7LU appear to be valid model codes either. -Dominique From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 17:59:52 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:59:52 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201645.h3KGjK307068@nalle.netsonic.fi> Message-ID: <005201c3075e$43432520$7700a8c0@3ComC> YES it does It is a T2U with Win2K instead of 98SE Spectacular deal! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 09:27 AM you, "Peter Machule" > , said: > > >http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > They sell it as "2648LU7": any idea what the real code is? T23's are 2647 > as far as I can see and neither LU7 nor 7LU appear to be valid model codes > either. > > -Dominique > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 18:00:32 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:00:32 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201645.h3KGjK307068@nalle.netsonic.fi> Message-ID: <005e01c3075e$5b425560$7700a8c0@3ComC> http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/quickPath.do?quickPathEntry=2648-LU 7&quickPathEntry.x=6&quickPathEntry.y=5 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 09:27 AM you, "Peter Machule" > , said: > > >http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > They sell it as "2648LU7": any idea what the real code is? T23's are 2647 > as far as I can see and neither LU7 nor 7LU appear to be valid model codes > either. > > -Dominique > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From jloyless@netbox.com Sun Apr 20 18:02:37 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:02:37 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] re: IBM 600X (650Mhz) In-Reply-To: <001b01c306fa$2ee053f0$6401a8c0@beasst> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030420130237.012e4c28@pop.mindspring.com> At 01:03 AM 04/20/2003 -0400, John Levanger wrote: >Seeing how everyone says to look it up yourself, here's the model numbers, >hope this helps. > I use the "Teach a man to fish" style most of the time rather than just dishing out answers not to be ugly but because 1) I'd have to look it up first and 2) I might get hit by a truck! From domi@kenavo.fi Sun Apr 20 18:06:57 2003 From: domi@kenavo.fi (Dominique Pivard) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:06:57 +0300 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: <005201c3075e$43432520$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <200304201711.h3KHBO307965@nalle.netsonic.fi> Just curious: where do you see it's a "T2U"? All I can see in the supplied URL (http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592) is "IBM ThinkPad T23 2648" next to "Product description" and "2648LU7" next to "Mfr. Part No.". -Dominique On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 12:59 PM you, "Bruce Markowitz" , said: >YES it does >It is a T2U with Win2K instead of 98SE >Spectacular deal! From duh2000@verizon.net Sun Apr 20 18:28:23 2003 From: duh2000@verizon.net (Jim Biggerstaff) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:28:23 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: Message-ID: <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? Thanks, jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Machule" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > nice deal ... > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > ..peter... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From jloyless@netbox.com Sun Apr 20 18:34:58 2003 From: jloyless@netbox.com (Jane Loyless) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: <005e01c3075e$5b425560$7700a8c0@3ComC> References: <200304201645.h3KGjK307068@nalle.netsonic.fi> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030420133458.01334c50@pop.mindspring.com> At 01:00 PM 04/20/2003 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/quickPath.do?quickPathEntry=2648-LU >7&quickPathEntry.x=6&quickPathEntry.y=5 > Interesting. No wireless, though. Wonder if it at least has the antenna? From louw@prefer.net Sun Apr 20 18:42:36 2003 From: louw@prefer.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030420104153.00b55120@pop.pophost.com> Probably 1400 x 1050 like my T22? Warm Regards, Lou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 10:28 AM 4/20/2003, you wrote: >I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen >resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? > >Thanks, > >jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Machule" >To: "thinkpad" >Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM >Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > > > nice deal ... > > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > > > ..peter... From Peter Machule" <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0247_01C3072B.4D027260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looks like 1024 * 768 .. Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB HDD, 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, Modem(MPCI), Ethernet(CDC), Win2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen > resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? > > Thanks, > > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Machule" > To: "thinkpad" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM > Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > > > nice deal ... > > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > > > ..peter... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > ------=_NextPart_000_0247_01C3072B.4D027260 Content-Type: image/gif; name="c.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.ibm.com/i/c.gif R0lGODlhAQABAID/AMDAwAAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0247_01C3072B.4D027260-- From domi@kenavo.fi Sun Apr 20 19:05:06 2003 From: domi@kenavo.fi (Dominique Pivard) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:05:06 +0300 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200304201814.h3KIEF310186@nalle.netsonic.fi> What does "Based on" exactly mean and why is there no 2648-xxx in tabook.pdf? I'm looking at version 258 (March 2003) of tabook.pdf, which I think is the latest available on IBM's site. -Dominique On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 10:55 AM you, "Peter Machule" , said: >looks like 1024 * 768 .. > Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB >HDD, 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, Modem(MPCI), >Ethernet(CDC), Win2000 From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:20:12 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201711.h3KHBO307965@nalle.netsonic.fi> Message-ID: <000f01c30771$de595080$7700a8c0@3ComC> Look again. Paste in the entire thing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > Just curious: where do you see it's a "T2U"? All I can see in the supplied > URL > (http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592) > is "IBM ThinkPad T23 2648" next to "Product description" and "2648LU7" > next to "Mfr. Part No.". > > -Dominique > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 12:59 PM you, "Bruce Markowitz" > , said: > > >YES it does > >It is a T2U with Win2K instead of 98SE > >Spectacular deal! > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:20:55 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> Message-ID: <001301c30771$f7afd360$7700a8c0@3ComC> 1024X768 This is the exact same machine I had for sale last month. It is Win2K on a machine with a 98SE COA Custom IBM Win2K install ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen > resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? > > Thanks, > > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Machule" > To: "thinkpad" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM > Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > > > nice deal ... > > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > > > ..peter... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:21:25 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:21:25 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030420104153.00b55120@pop.pophost.com> Message-ID: <001f01c30772$09546d60$7700a8c0@3ComC> NO 1024X768 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > Probably 1400 x 1050 like my T22? > > Warm Regards, > Lou > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > At 10:28 AM 4/20/2003, you wrote: > >I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen > >resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? > > > >Thanks, > > > >jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Machule" > >To: "thinkpad" > >Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM > >Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > > > > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > > > > > nice deal ... > > > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > > > > > ..peter... > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:21:14 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201645.h3KGjK307068@nalle.netsonic.fi> <3.0.1.32.20030420133458.01334c50@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <001901c30772$02f23600$7700a8c0@3ComC> No, it does not have the antenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Loyless" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > At 01:00 PM 04/20/2003 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/quickPath.do?quickPathEntry=2648-L U > >7&quickPathEntry.x=6&quickPathEntry.y=5 > > > > Interesting. No wireless, though. Wonder if it at least has the antenna? > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:21:47 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:21:47 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> Message-ID: <002801c30772$16b913c0$7700a8c0@3ComC> EXACTLY Pete gets the prize forn getting it right!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Machule" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > looks like 1024 * 768 .. > > > > Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB HDD, > 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, Modem(MPCI), Ethernet(CDC), > Win2000 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Biggerstaff" > To: "thinkpad" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > I could go for this - I've been trying to find the specs for the screen > > resolution - anyone have any idea what it is? > > > > Thanks, > > > > jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Machule" > > To: "thinkpad" > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:27 PM > > Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > > > > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > > > > > nice deal ... > > > only odd thing is the warranty is both 3 years and 2 years ... > > > > > > ..peter... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Thinkpad mailing list > > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > > > > From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 20 20:22:28 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201814.h3KIEF310186@nalle.netsonic.fi> Message-ID: <003101c30772$2f249a60$7700a8c0@3ComC> Based on means it is the "other" model, but with Win2K INSTEAD of Win98SE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > What does "Based on" exactly mean and why is there no 2648-xxx in > tabook.pdf? I'm looking at version 258 (March 2003) of tabook.pdf, which I > think is the latest available on IBM's site. > > -Dominique > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 10:55 AM you, "Peter Machule" > , said: > > >looks like 1024 * 768 .. > > > Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB > >HDD, 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, Modem(MPCI), > >Ethernet(CDC), Win2000 > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From jberry@islandnet.com Sun Apr 20 21:28:42 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:28:42 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles References: <0be801c30719$ddc11020$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> <002101c30759$c8938260$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <6Lwo+4mipBzM092yn@islandnet.com> Bruce, I agree, the 701 is no longer a viable general-purpose computer. A little while ago I would have said it is fine for word processing, email, and web browsing, but graphical web browsing is getting more annoying, as so many sites assume 800x600 minimum and the 701 is only 640 x 480. I would liken the use of a 701C computer to driving a Studebaker Convertible. Cool, attracts attention, maybe not so practical. However -- The butterfly keyboard is practical and draws oohs and aahs, even from technicians. The screen on the 701C is not "dim". Sure, brighter screens have been developed, but the screen is plenty bright enough and the total screen experience is better than your typical CRT. And let's not even think about your typical palm screen. The form factor is more compact (WxL) than a 570 or 600 or almost any "notebook" computer, though it is a bit thicker. And it's still the only computer in the Museum of Modern Art. I'm not talking about the 701CS, nor about 50 MHz machines. But I agree, the 560, 570, and 600 lines are more practical, budget Thinkpads. The 701 is definitely a niche choice. ------ Are you really "giving away" those rock-bottom 600 machines, or was that more of a rhetorial device? I've never seen a dual-scan screen I liked, but sometimes I prepare machines for people who want mobile computing but have $xx to spend (not $xxx and certainly not $x,xxx) .... I'm still very happy with the 600E you sold me two years ago. In article <002101c30759$c8938260$7700a8c0@3ComC>, "Bruce Markowitz" wrote: >Now, I've been keeping quiet about this one, but.... >With the price of a 570 being as low as around $200 on Ebay with a 12.1" >screen and at least a P2 300 >And I even have some 600 series around with the P233 and the 12.1 dual scan >screen that I can't even give away... >What in the world is the point of the 701? >I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really run moden software or OS, >is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has a small dim screen... >It was innovative for it's time, but it's time passed ages ago! -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ What did the Quebec Premier become, 24 hours before the transfer of power to the new Premier? A 24-hour Landry. From David Ross" <0be801c30719$ddc11020$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> <002101c30759$c8938260$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <004c01c30788$c3648f80$9c02a8c0@sierpinski> > What in the world is the point of the 701? > I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really run moden software or OS, > is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has a small dim screen... > It was innovative for it's time, but it's time passed ages ago! It is exactly as functional now as it was when it came out, as long as you don't try to run new, bloated software on it, and it is one of the few machines out there that you can use comfortably on an airplane tray. I agree that it doesn't make sense as one's ony computer from a financial point of view. Incidentally, I disagree with Bill as for best OS on the 701; W98SE with a 'Lite' install is better than 95b, since 98 handles dll swapping better (so works better in limited memory). - David R. From xyzzy@teamprimerib.com Mon Apr 21 00:35:40 2003 From: xyzzy@teamprimerib.com (Michael Vang) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <002001c30762$3f4c2490$6401a8c0@tp1480> <002801c30772$16b913c0$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <012a01c30795$8e1d43f0$09e58818@toshiba> Nice that they have free shipping, but they charged me $62.93 in tax... :( Also note they use Airborne Express... I've had a lot of trouble with them in the past, but for 900 bux I'm willing to wait... Thanks for the link! Mike (Xyzzy) From stevec50@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 08:13:28 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles In-Reply-To: <002101c30759$c8938260$7700a8c0@3ComC> Message-ID: <20030421071328.34852.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Exactly the way I feel about Windows 95 and 98 but some people still want to use those too! --- Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Now, I've been keeping quiet about this one, but.... > With the price of a 570 being as low as around $200 > on Ebay with a 12.1" > screen and at least a P2 300 > And I even have some 600 series around with the P233 > and the 12.1 dual scan > screen that I can't even give away... > What in the world is the point of the 701? > I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really > run moden software or OS, > is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has > a small dim screen... > It was innovative for it's time, but it's time > passed ages ago! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From stevec50@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 08:16:37 2003 From: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030421071637.7212.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> It looks like they are selling the T23 cheap but intend to make their money back on accessories! --- Peter Machule wrote: > http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=340592 > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" Message-ID: <0c9601c307dc$4a5a0940$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> this T23 is from an LE special order.. about 700 wound up on the open market.. this is probably the last of them.. no wifi, pretty standard T23 but it IS a nice thinkpad and it IS new.. the price has been dropping for about 3 or 4 months.. this $899 price is very good.. ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > What does "Based on" exactly mean and why is there no 2648-xxx in > tabook.pdf? I'm looking at version 258 (March 2003) of tabook.pdf, which I > think is the latest available on IBM's site. > > -Dominique > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 10:55 AM you, "Peter Machule" > , said: > > >looks like 1024 * 768 .. > > > Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB > >HDD, 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, Modem(MPCI), > >Ethernet(CDC), Win2000 > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 21 12:55:15 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:15 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection References: <200304201814.h3KIEF310186@nalle.netsonic.fi> <0c9601c307dc$4a5a0940$6b7ba8c0@w2kibmserver> Message-ID: <001801c307fc$df914b20$7700a8c0@3ComC> I bought a few! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" To: "Dominique Pivard" ; "thinkpad" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > this T23 is from an LE special order.. > about 700 wound up on the open market.. > this is probably the last of them.. > no wifi, pretty standard T23 but it IS a nice thinkpad and > it IS new.. > > the price has been dropping for about 3 or 4 months.. > this $899 price is very good.. > > > ******************* > Cordially, > Bill Morrow > (from NetFinity Server) > web page: http://www.thinkpads.com > bill@thinkpads.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dominique Pivard" > To: "thinkpad" > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] T23 $900 new at pcconnection > > > > What does "Based on" exactly mean and why is there no > 2648-xxx in > > tabook.pdf? I'm looking at version 258 (March 2003) of > tabook.pdf, which I > > think is the latest available on IBM's site. > > > > -Dominique > > > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 at 10:55 AM you, "Peter Machule" > > , said: > > > > >looks like 1024 * 768 .. > > > > > Based on 2648-2TU: PIII-M 1.0GHz > (512KB),256MB RAM, 30.0GB > > >HDD, 14.1 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD, 8x-3.3 DVD-ROM, > Modem(MPCI), > > >Ethernet(CDC), Win2000 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thinkpad mailing list > > Thinkpad@stderr.org > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 17:14:57 2003 From: bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk (Mark S Penrice) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:14:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles In-Reply-To: <20030420035102.16963.16510.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: Tom Trottier wrote: >As a proud owner of 2 1/2 701s (what a great name to sit on), I can only >offer you the following advice: > Buy more 701s for spare parts Well, would love to, but for the little matter of cash (could get all the hihgly expensive spares i want with a bit of it :) and that this particyular unit is the only one ive seen on sale so far. May yet part exchange it for a HP libretto, smaller and spomewhat more expensive buyt seem more widespread :)) BTW please excuse the spelling errors, somethings up with this internet PC (brother is doing some inexplicably resource hogging p2p stuff.. how can 64k/s need so much CPU?) and so I've had to use Telnet to get at my mail. Seems to be emulating a 1200/75 acoustic coupler so any editing would take all nightr. Raa. >I have a 5.4 GB disk that works well, and I am told up to 6.4 GB can be >accomodated with the current bios. However, I also think that the sky is >the limit when using Disk Manager or W2K. Sounds good :) so the 2gb should be fine.. may be a while til i can splash on a >6gb disc anyhow. apart from vids and mp3s i prolly dont have over 4 g's of stuff :D Win2000? aroe you mad?! :) >There is an HP floppy which will attach and work. >I have attached an IBM CDROM with a PCMCIA interface. Fandabydozy.. u dont happen to know the type of that floppy do you? (even if i cant get the HD working, apparently a barebones windows with VGA will work inside of a single 1.44mb...) Oh yeah.. I know it would require win98 or win95-osr2 to fuinction, but would a PCMCIA USB card work at all in the 701? >On ebay, cuiinc in BC is selling a 64 MB RAM board regularly. See >http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413340176&category=31573 >and people say it works. 32MB is cheaper. S/he also sells MB upgrades >which have a pentium-class CPU. See ===message truncated by terminal=== (sorry bout that, i'm working with about an 80x16 read/compose scree and no proper cut and paste :) Tom if i wasn't so truysting i'd suspexct you of trying to advertise a friend's gear :) If there's one thing I picked up in the archs it was that the 701 uses vanilla SODIMMs and the AMD upgrades are a bit weak (and only go to 100mhz not 133 anyway). Still, back in tha' day I found the old 5x86 to be a fair good performer when clocked right up (like.. to a 40mhz system board :-/ ) though the laptop is unlikely to provide that without a change of quartz. If they can get 133 that's very impressive, even 100mhz clock quadrupled would be worth a look given the sheer CPU intensity and fairly light system load of the things i'd be upclocking for. Only problem is, the high bid was twice what I paid for the actual system, and the buy it now/reserve was another $20 on top of that. Add in shipping feews, customs etc from Canada to the UK, and I may as well put the 701 back on the market and get a secondhand widescreen (PSion / Libretto style) Vaio or something. :-/ oh wells, thanks for the reply anyway. peace -mp From jberry@islandnet.com Mon Apr 21 18:15:30 2003 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:15:30 -0800 Subject: [Thinkpad] TP701C 701CS mainboards Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413495846 This is an auction for 20 (twenty) brand new 701 mainboards at a current price of $20, or $1 per board. It is a 10x Dutch Auction so there are 200 boards available in all. I checked the above by email to the vendor. Personally, I'd like to have a couple or five of these on hand, I might even want to try a mod with a 586 133 MHz processor, if that is possible. P/N 41H7180. If anybody is in a similar position, please email me (off list) and I'll take part of your shipment. If there happen to be a bunch of us in Canada who want to do this, I could even be the buyer. Let's cooperate and not bid up the price!? There is 701 stuff about in the marketplace, but it usually is not new or cheap. Yeah, yeah, I did write that the 701 was not a viable GENERAL PURPOSE computer. -- happy Jonathan Berry and Erika http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ What did the Quebec Premier become, 24 hours before the transfer of power to the new Premier? A 24-hour Landry. From sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 19:17:08 2003 From: sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk (Sanjoy Mahajan) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:17:08 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card Message-ID: Thanks for the useful advice. Reseating the keyboard cable did the trick. I hadn't fully pushed in the right plunger/clip around the keyboard cable. Actually, I had pushed it in, but as I found out this time by playing with it, when I push in the left clip, the right one popped out, so this time I pushed them in simultaneously. Just a warning in case others get caught by the same problem. -Sanjoy From bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 19:39:06 2003 From: bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk (Mark S Penrice) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:39:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles In-Reply-To: <20030420192201.10190.3891.Mailman@illuminati.stderr.org> Message-ID: "Bruce Markowitz" wrote: With the price of a 570 being as low as around $200 on Ebay with a 12.1" screen and at least a P2 300 And I even have some 600 series around with the P233 and the 12.1 dual scan screen that I can't even give away... What in the world is the point of the 701? I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really run moden software or OS, is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has a small dim screen... It was innovative for it's time, but it's time passed ages ago! =============== (sorry for duff quoting, my email terminal is a pain)== Ah, you mean man :) It's not as bad as all that, the machine still has a fair term of use left in it. You just have to see it from a different perspective (ie mine :). As a poor student ust needing a semiportable WP thing, it was the most laptop I could get for sixty pounds, and a fair good value at that. Previous to it, I was attempting to use a cut down office suite on a Palm m105 with -true- folding keyboard (ooh, feel the power - a 16mhz chip with 95% of its circuit design dating back to '78, 7.75mb of main storage and 256k of work RAM, and a totally unaccelerated 160x160 16-grey screen) which was a total pain in the ass despite the best efforts of the software developers, it simply couldnt keep up with a 60wpm type speed and spreadsheeting was like treacle. Then I swapped an old webcam for a friend's crusty 486 laptop. 33mhz SLC processor (no fpu whatsoever, even JPGs took ages), 4mb, 9 inch mono VGA, nice and compact I thought, fitted well in the backback, ran office v4 with absolutely no troubles. Even made a replacement battery from NiMH C-cells which let it run about half hour, which was OK to use in lectures as it could be suspended between typing spurts then reawoke without having to spin the disc. But, playing around with the internals (can't even remember what for), I frazolled the LCD circuitry (inverter still ok) and the 12v hard disc power (3.5 inch!). Problem. Still works great with a 2.5" disc kludged in with a converter running off the 5v line, and plugged into a monitor. Indeed.. gives a unique experience - totally silent windows operation, at 800x600 256 colour with 72hz on a 15" screen. Think I might repack the =microscopic= motherboard, the battery, and a 2.5" disc into a pncil-case size box for the world's smallest (though slowest :) operational desktop PC. So now being used to the feel of laptoppery, I got the 701 as replacement. In comparison to that "compact" 33mhz relic, it seems like a baby sister. Narrower, shorter, thinner, lighter (i can't believe anyone thinks it's excessively heavy) and a better keyboard, chip, and screen (adequately bright even on lowest setting) to boot. Sure, it's a little chunky, but it's not cripplingly so. Fits even better inside a backpack, with textbooks, folder full of project work, etc. With the AC adaptor tucked down one side of it, fits great. Much prefer it to a more modern bloody-huge laptop (heading into the territory of old compaq 386 'portables'). Why the hell would I want a 16 inch screen just to work MS office? It's certainly not my main computer, laptops still aren't similar enough in price for me to abandon my desktop (800mhz, half gig ram, 230gb of disc, etc :D), it's just a typing/spreadsheeting tool with enough power to play Doom on in-between. It's surprising how well things in 3.1 fit into a VGA resolution (with 32k colours :), only thing that's a bit difficult is zooming out in Word or touching up a big photograph. Space is at a premium most places I (would) use it.. a library study booth, the lab desk, several of my lecture theaters dont even have adequate desk-trough-thing space for the average pad; a large notebook owner would be in trouble. (My dad and his partner have lappies with UXGA 14"ers.. they're a bit weighty and unweildy, and are basically space saving desktop replacements - rarely leave the home-office). It also doesn't make much heat or require a fan - that lack of noise and disturbance (and chip melt threat) is a nice boon. If the battery was fresh it could run for 3-4 hours off of ni-cads.. which is nice, a good portion of the working day without having to plug in, seen many laptops recently that claim 2 hours or less running time.. the hey? (centrino should fix this.. I live in hope of a fan-less, 12" centrino machine that runs for 5 hours). All told, you may not like it much and see it as rather pointless, but for me it's almost the perfect machine, except for a few little niggles. Such as hard to find parts (or not - hopefully), a duff battery (par for the course), and having a few percents too little juice to play CD quality mp3s or VCD quality MPGs (for which I have a minidisc portable, and the ability to restrict my VCD viewing to the home AV stack; or downgrade the quaity/complexity eg to mp2s, three-quarter rez vids..). I wonder how well it would take to win95 or 98 in the end (yes, i'm also a win98SE stalwart, and will be to the bitter end. it suits my retro/minimalist/non-bloat sensibilities.. well, as much as i can make it without losing USB/LFN/etc capabilities). Have used win95 and office97/2000 on a toshiba p100 laptop before and it was horrible. However I do believe the problem there was acute memory starvation - the poor thing only had 8mb, and was basically running 90% of it's operations from disc memory instead of solid state, wasting time and battery, and shagging out the disc heads. Otherwise the tosh was a very nice machine, when it wasnt RAM starved. One of those or the thinkpad equivalent would be maybe my other preffered choice (a 'plain' 750 series?). About the same size body as the older 486, decent 10-inch or case filling 12 inch 800x600 screen, fan installed but not used much, still a sensible size (though it was -heavy-), keyboard ideantical to a folded out 701 (or alternatively the 33mhz) and even an 8x CDROM swappable with floppy disc. Hm, maybe i've been dumb :D There's a nice 755 pentium on Cuiinc's (?) ebay store, which i might be interested in if it wasnt a bit expensive and in canada. Still, if you see the photo of it and notice the large border around the 10-inch screen it really brings home how much smaller the 701 is. Too bad they don't say whether it's got the VGA STN or the SVGA TFT :/ (i'll take those "cant give em away" units off your hands if you pay the shipping.. only to resell though, the p2xx era was a pretty naff time to buy a note book (hopefully ibm's were the exception?) and we might only now be coming out of the worst of that.. dell's recent low end ones are nice, seems they've figured out clock-reducing and decent airflow pathways, the laptops might be bulky still, but quiet at least) Guess I'll take dinkiness and uniqueness over total sensibility for now.. anyone got a libretto they want rid of for less than £80? Pentium only please :) OK rantsponse over! Any comebacks? :p -mp From co273@bfn.org Mon Apr 21 19:53:47 2003 From: co273@bfn.org (Kev) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Thinkpad] 560: several keys kaput after swapping DC/DC card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's weird. I thought that the Error 301 during bootup will tip you off to the loose cable. On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: > Thanks for the useful advice. Reseating the keyboard cable did the > trick. I hadn't fully pushed in the right plunger/clip around the > keyboard cable. Actually, I had pushed it in, but as I found out this > time by playing with it, when I push in the left clip, the right one > popped out, so this time I pushed them in simultaneously. Just a > warning in case others get caught by the same problem. > > -Sanjoy > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad > From scosgt@worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 21 19:55:59 2003 From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Markowitz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles References: Message-ID: <004701c30837$a84f5220$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> WHAT did he just say? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark S Penrice" To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles > "Bruce Markowitz" wrote: > > With the price of a 570 being as low as around $200 on Ebay with a 12.1" > screen and at least a P2 300 > And I even have some 600 series around with the P233 and the 12.1 dual > scan > screen that I can't even give away... > What in the world is the point of the 701? > I mean it is a bit of a heavy beast, can't really run moden software or > OS, > is extremely limited in RAM and hard drive size, has a small dim screen... > It was innovative for it's time, but it's time passed ages ago! > =============== (sorry for duff quoting, my email terminal is a pain)== > > Ah, you mean man :) It's not as bad as all that, the machine still has a > fair term of use left in it. You just have to see it from a different > perspective (ie mine :). As a poor student ust needing a semiportable WP > thing, it was the most laptop I could get for sixty pounds, and a fair > good value at that. Previous to it, I was attempting to use a cut down > office suite on a Palm m105 with -true- folding keyboard (ooh, feel the > power - a 16mhz chip with 95% of its circuit design dating back to '78, > 7.75mb of main storage and 256k of work RAM, and a totally unaccelerated > 160x160 16-grey screen) which was a total pain in the ass despite the best > efforts of the software developers, it simply couldnt keep up with a 60wpm > type speed and spreadsheeting was like treacle. > Then I swapped an old webcam for a friend's crusty 486 laptop. 33mhz SLC > processor (no fpu whatsoever, even JPGs took ages), 4mb, 9 inch mono VGA, > nice and compact I thought, fitted well in the backback, ran office v4 > with absolutely no troubles. Even made a replacement battery from NiMH > C-cells which let it run about half hour, which was OK to use in lectures > as it could be suspended between typing spurts then reawoke without having > to spin the disc. > But, playing around with the internals (can't even remember what for), I > frazolled the LCD circuitry (inverter still ok) and the 12v hard disc > power (3.5 inch!). Problem. Still works great with a 2.5" disc kludged in > with a converter running off the 5v line, and plugged into a monitor. > Indeed.. gives a unique experience - totally silent windows operation, at > 800x600 256 colour with 72hz on a 15" screen. Think I might repack the > =microscopic= motherboard, the battery, and a 2.5" disc into a pncil-case > size box for the world's smallest (though slowest :) operational desktop > PC. > So now being used to the feel of laptoppery, I got the 701 as replacement. > In comparison to that "compact" 33mhz relic, it seems like a baby sister. > Narrower, shorter, thinner, lighter (i can't believe anyone thinks it's > excessively heavy) and a better keyboard, chip, and screen (adequately > bright even on lowest setting) to boot. Sure, it's a little chunky, but > it's not cripplingly so. Fits even better inside a backpack, with > textbooks, folder full of project work, etc. With the AC adaptor tucked > down one side of it, fits great. Much prefer it to a more modern > bloody-huge laptop (heading into the territory of old compaq 386 > 'portables'). Why the hell would I want a 16 inch screen just to work MS > office? > It's certainly not my main computer, laptops still aren't similar > enough in price for me to abandon my desktop (800mhz, half gig ram, 230gb > of disc, etc :D), it's just a typing/spreadsheeting tool with enough power > to play Doom on in-between. It's surprising how well things in 3.1 fit > into a VGA resolution (with 32k colours :), only thing that's a bit > difficult is zooming out in Word or touching up a big photograph. > Space is at a premium most places I (would) use it.. a library study > booth, the lab desk, several of my lecture theaters dont even have > adequate desk-trough-thing space for the average pad; a large notebook > owner would be in trouble. (My dad and his partner have lappies with UXGA > 14"ers.. they're a bit weighty and unweildy, and are basically space > saving desktop replacements - rarely leave the home-office). > It also doesn't make much heat or require a fan - that lack of noise and > disturbance (and chip melt threat) is a nice boon. If the battery was > fresh it could run for 3-4 hours off of ni-cads.. which is nice, a good > portion of the working day without having to plug in, seen many laptops > recently that claim 2 hours or less running time.. the hey? (centrino > should fix this.. I live in hope of a fan-less, 12" centrino machine that > runs for 5 hours). > > All told, you may not like it much and see it as rather pointless, but for > me it's almost the perfect machine, except for a few little niggles. Such > as hard to find parts (or not - hopefully), a duff battery (par for the > course), and having a few percents too little juice to play CD quality > mp3s or VCD quality MPGs (for which I have a minidisc portable, and the > ability to restrict my VCD viewing to the home AV stack; or downgrade the > quaity/complexity eg to mp2s, three-quarter rez vids..). > > I wonder how well it would take to win95 or 98 in the end (yes, i'm also a > win98SE stalwart, and will be to the bitter end. it suits my > retro/minimalist/non-bloat sensibilities.. well, as much as i can make it > without losing USB/LFN/etc capabilities). Have used win95 and > office97/2000 on a toshiba p100 laptop before and it was horrible. However > I do believe the problem there was acute memory starvation - the poor > thing only had 8mb, and was basically running 90% of it's operations from > disc memory instead of solid state, wasting time and battery, and shagging > out the disc heads. > > Otherwise the tosh was a very nice machine, when it wasnt RAM starved. One > of those or the thinkpad equivalent would be maybe my other preffered > choice (a 'plain' 750 series?). About the same size body as the older 486, > decent 10-inch or case filling 12 inch 800x600 screen, fan installed but > not used much, still a sensible size (though it was -heavy-), keyboard > ideantical to a folded out 701 (or alternatively the 33mhz) and even an > 8x CDROM swappable with floppy disc. Hm, maybe i've been dumb :D > > There's a nice 755 pentium on Cuiinc's (?) ebay store, which i might be > interested in if it wasnt a bit expensive and in canada. Still, if you > see the photo of it and notice the large border around the 10-inch screen > it really brings home how much smaller the 701 is. Too bad they don't > say whether it's got the VGA STN or the SVGA TFT :/ > (i'll take those "cant give em away" units off your hands if you pay the > shipping.. only to resell though, the p2xx era was a pretty naff time to > buy a note book (hopefully ibm's were the exception?) and we might only > now be coming out of the worst of that.. dell's recent low end ones are > nice, seems they've figured out clock-reducing and decent airflow > pathways, the laptops might be bulky still, but quiet at least) > > Guess I'll take dinkiness and uniqueness over total sensibility for now.. > anyone got a libretto they want rid of for less than £80? Pentium only > please :) > > > OK rantsponse over! > Any comebacks? > > :p > > -mp > > > _______________________________________________ > Thinkpad mailing list > Thinkpad@stderr.org > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad From Bill - ThinkPads dot Com" i'll take 5 at $1 to $2 each + priority mail, shipping.. IF i can get this news to jonathan berry ******************* Cordially, Bill Morrow (from NetFinity Server) web page: http://www.thinkpads.com bill@thinkpads.com From bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 20:27:33 2003 From: bsu83e@bangor.ac.uk (Mark S Penrice) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:27:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Thinkpad] Blast from the past - 701 troubles In-Reply-To: <004701c30837$a84f5220$7700a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: came to the defense of my only half-working laptop, so i did :) sorry if it was a bit longwinded and all, i have a habit of going off on one with mail, think it's an over-compensation for being a bit verbally constipated face-to-face 9_9 to condense it, now that the points have been worked out in my mind 701 not so bulky, you should ve seen the much less capable one i had before it, which is much bigger in all areas but still a similar