[Arisbe] Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry

[Jon Awbrey]

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Sam,

This topic has been de-topicalized
by the Topic Map Mail List Manager.

Vide:

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Subj:  Re: Topic Map Mailing list
Date:  Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:12:57 -0400
From:  Jon Awbrey <jawbrey@oakland.edu>
  To:  mb@infoloom.com
  CC:  W.M. Jaworski <wmj@gen-strategies.com>,
       Topic Map Mail <topicmapmail@infoloom.com>

Michel,

I will comply.

Jon

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Michel Biezunski wrote:
> 
> Jon, WMJ
> 
> The discussions you are having on the topic map mailing
> list are quite fascinating and enlightening, but the problem
> is that they are not really centered on what makes the core
> interest for topic map users.
> 
> Can you please have this discussion on another mailing forum
> or mailing list? Once this will have been setup send a message
> to the topic map mailing list to indicate where to find this discussion,
> so that interested parties can join.
> 
> Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
> 
> Michel
> 
> ==========================================
> Michel Biezunski, InfoLoom
> Tel +33 1 44 59 84 29 Cell +33 6 03 99 25 29
> Email: mb@infoloom.com  Web: www.infoloom.com
> ==========================================
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Subj:  [topicmapmail] Re: Working Or Talking (WOT)
> > From:  topicmapmail-admin@infoloom.com
> > Sent:  Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:40 PM
> >   To:  W.M. Jaworski
> >   Cc:  Topic Map Mail
> >
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> > W.M. Jaworski wrote:
> > >
> > > wmj: If you prefer only talking, sorry I am not the partner.
> > >      If you are able to recover from your document the initial
> > >      (draft) versions of the set table, please do.  Why?  This
> > >      will allow me to offer you (constructive?) comments and
> > >      move to the next step.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > WMJ
> >
> > I do not know what you mean by "the set table".
> > When I do not know what you mean I will say so.
> > When I do know what you mean I will say so.
> > If you think this can be done by telepathy,
> > then I am not your medium.
> >
> > Jon Awbrey
> >
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> > topicmapmail mailing list
> > topicmapmail@infoloom.com
> > http://www.infoloom.com/mailman/listinfo/topicmapmail
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You might look into joining the Arisbe, OCA, or IEEE Ontology Groups.
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Sam Hunting wrote:
> 
> Are all properties intrinsically relational?
> 
> --- Jon Awbrey <jawbrey@oakland.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Sam Hunting wrote (SH):
> > Jon Awbrey wrote (JA):
> >
> > JA: Here is one quick link on the "Definition Of A Sign":
> >
> >     http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg02034.html
> >
> > SH: A question from the peanut gallery:
> >
> >     What is a relational property?
> >
> >     Thanks!  (No need for one of your wonderful punning extended essays -- KISS.)
> >
> > SH, quoting LW:
> >
> >   | "To imagine a language is to imagine a form of life."
> >   |  Ludwig Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations
> >
> > A relational property is just a property that something has
> > by virtue of being in a relation at the moment in question.
> > In effect, this is really just another way of saying that
> > something is related to something in the specified way.
> >
> > For example, "mi" is a name I call myself, that is to say,
> > a sign that reminds me of me, at the moment when somebody
> > while singing a song has led me to interpret "mi" as "me".
> > In this moment is actualized the sign relational 3-tuple
> > <me, "mi", "me"> of the form <object, sign, interpretant>.
> >
> > Jon Awbrey
> >
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> > Incidental Musement:
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> > http://www.stratfordfestival.ca/2001/playbill/soundofmusic.html
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Where Were We (WWW)?

Oh yes, "Are all properties intrinsically relational?"

I don't know.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "intrinsic".
It might also depend on what you mean by "all".

Jon Awbrey

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